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PostPosted: 22:04 - 03 Aug 2007    Post subject: Could the cheap fuel be dodgy? Reply with quote

Here's a question for you lot, I recently found a pretty cheap shell garage in the city at 93.9 (still at that price now), I'm not sure if my bike started backfiring at the same time but................

I have been using the garage for around 2 months now, roughly the same time my bike has, for no reason at all, begun backfiring on the overrun.

I was low on fuel one night and decided to pop to my local texaco at 95.9, as i was well into the reserve i can only assume that the fuel i had just put in got to work in the engine straight away, the backfiring stopped as soon as i pulled away from the forecourt.

Could this be dodgy fuel?

I have a 650 V twin carbed engine that pops and burbles on the overrun as standard. (Most transalps do this)

I might try an experiment and fill up there again just to see if it starts banging.

Let me know what you think.
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PostPosted: 22:46 - 03 Aug 2007    Post subject: fuel Reply with quote

could be a possibility..could also that you ran the fuel so low,you picked up some muck from the bottom of the tank,fill up with fresh fuel,but fit an in line fuel filter..cost about 2-3 quid from a car shop(buy a clear one so you can monitor the fuel and filter condition) tim Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 03 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

why do people think that running low on petrol "draws crap from the bottom of the tank"?? where does it come from usually, again? Confused Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 04 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a possibilty that while the surface of the fuel is low, the fuel will be 'sloshed' around more than if the fuel level was higher.
However, there should be a gauze filter on the inside of the tank just where the fuel leaves the tank and enters the fuel line, perhaps the gauze filter was blocked a little.

I wouldn't expect a Shell garage to be selling iffy fuel, if it's cheap there are likely to be more customers to that garage and so the fuel tanks will be replenished regularly. IMO
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PostPosted: 01:50 - 04 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the Shell stations in my town sells cheap fuel but its the same as any other Shell fuel. Its just that Tesco is across the road so they had to bring the price down to theirs.

Bikes don't seem to be as forgiving as cars when it comes to fuels I have found unless its a CG125 of course, geez I'm sure they would run fine on anything you shove in it. Perhaps you got the "bottom of the barrel" for all you know.

Could have been a one off. I would be as curious as you and try again on the next fill too Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:00 - 04 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm nearing the empty so should have some news for you in a couple of days, i will try and fill up from the shell in the city tomorrow Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:23 - 04 Aug 2007    Post subject: fuel Reply with quote

lukamon wrote:
why do people think that running low on petrol "draws crap from the bottom of the tank"?? where does it come from usually, again? Confused Rolling Eyes



run your bike low on fuel and have a look in the bottom of the tank and in particular to the side finish of the tank itself...bet its not polished is it??all that rust/dirt falls to the bottom of the tank..the reserve pick up is always lower than the main fuel pick up,hence when you run the bike on reserve a lot it increases the chance of the crud being drawn into the fuel gallery of the carbs and into the carb bowls themselves...also fit an in line fuel and check it regularly and youll see the muck that comes through.............thats why people keep saying that!!!!!!! Mr. Green Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:36 - 04 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back fire could be leaks in the exhaust.
You could have hit a bump on the way to the 'dodgy' gas station.
Stick a wee bottle of redex in the next tank load and kick the shit out her.

Get back to us with your findings. Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:47 - 04 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

cestrian wrote:
There is a possibilty that while the surface of the fuel is low, the fuel will be 'sloshed' around more than if the fuel level was higher.


That's it exactly.

Having a full tank of fuel, there's little agitation inside the except on the surface of the liquid fuel. The lower the fuel level, the more room there is for the fuel to move about and the more agitated it can be. When the level is very low any dirt or water that would usually sit at the bottom of the tank gets suspended in the fuel and drawn into the fuelling system.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 05 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
cestrian wrote:
There is a possibilty that while the surface of the fuel is low, the fuel will be 'sloshed' around more than if the fuel level was higher.


That's it exactly.

Having a full tank of fuel, there's little agitation inside the except on the surface of the liquid fuel. The lower the fuel level, the more room there is for the fuel to move about and the more agitated it can be. When the level is very low any dirt or water that would usually sit at the bottom of the tank gets suspended in the fuel and drawn into the fuelling system.



I disagree.

It's not fair to suggest that the shit behaves it's self just because there is a load of fuel on top of it.

Try it with a jug and some sand. You will still get detritus moving through the liquid.

The secret is not to let the shit in there and keep the tank clean....
And use filters.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 05 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It does move with the body of fuel - the difference is the level of agitation it receives. The lower the fuel level, the greater the agitaion.

You can't easily control what goes into the tank via the fuel nozzle either.
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