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Cigaro
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Derestricting: Worth it? Reply with quote
Is it worth derestricting my 50cc two-stroke, and if so what kind of performance increase should I expect to see?
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Pick up on acceleration,and should hit at least 45mph true speed. Thumbs Up Id say worth it,just go steady.
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PostPosted: 12:07 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hardly worth it unless you need to keep up with all the other derestricted peds.

You'll also have to start keeping your eyes peeled for the five-oh (yeah I can be down with the hip Kids Smile) all the time in case you get pulled doing a speed you shouldnt be able to achieve.

That and it's only going to be five minutes before you are looking to getting a 125 on the road.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
It's only a 50 so its not going to blow you away when you de restrict it, but it will be a lot nippyer and just generally more fun to ride. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Kal wrote:
Hardly worth it unless you need to keep up with all the other derestricted peds.

You'll also have to start keeping your eyes peeled for the five-oh (yeah I can be down with the hip Kids Smile) all the time in case you get pulled doing a speed you shouldnt be able to achieve.

That and it's only going to be five minutes before you are looking to getting a 125 on the road.


If I do, I plan on declaring it to the insurance. I hold a full car license and I've already owned 125's before (got this scooter free - I'm doing it up as a little project, mostly as an economical runaround but I could do with it being a bit quicker!)

There's nothing illegal about a derestricted scooter as long as you are over 16 and have it declared on the insurance, is there?
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
is it worth it?

pro's more speed.

cons.
ruined exhaust ( on most bikes )unable to re restrict unless you bought a race can,
cost of race can,
cost of getting it done (50-60 quid)
no insurance
riding whilst disqualified by age (due to speed and power)
unable to part ex it at a dealer (they can't legally sell it on to a 16 year old unless its restricted and no 17 year olds going to wan't a 50)
unable to sell it privately due to them being unable to insure it if there 16.

on ballance...

its up to you



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PostPosted: 12:20 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Nothing illegal about it at all if your over 16, i don't even think you have to tell your insurance, as long as they didn't ask if it was restricted when you took out your policy you should be ok.
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Ah well - I won't be able to sell it on for much anyway, as the fairings are fucked due to the fire it was in. Considering taking them off completely and having it as a 'rat'...not sure if the rat thing works on a scooter but hey Razz

I was just worried about the legality as I know that a moped is only regarded as a moped if it has a maximum speed of 45km/h, so technically it won't be the same type of bike once derestricted...
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
TheBassJunky wrote:
There's nothing illegal about a derestricted scooter as long as you are over 16 and have it declared on the insurance, is there?


Nowt at all, and I apologise for being an arse. I've just read one too many 'derestrict my ped' posts in recent weeks.

Neutral

Rat thing works on anything, especially if it was free.

I believe technically it would qualify as a light motorcycle rather than a moped, but if i remember correctly a CBT is perpetual once you get a car licence.
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have a full car license and still need to do my CBT every 2 years... (Obviously hoping to pass some sort of test before two years though... Thumbs Up If I ever get the finger out...)
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cheers everyone Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:51 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'd check that out if I were you...

Mopeds wrote:
If you hold a full car licence but passed your test on or after 1 February 2001 you will need to:
Complete CBT
Your CBT certificate will last for the life of your driving licence.

If you hold a full car licence and passed your test before 1 February 2001 you can:
Ride without L-plates and carry a pillion passenger.

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PostPosted: 13:54 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Re: Derestricting: Worth it? Reply with quote
TheBassJunky wrote:
Is it worth derestricting my 50cc two-stroke


Might as well, you'll stick out to the police like a sore thumb with a ratted ped and no L plates anyway. Legal or not, it just screams "stolen".
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Re: Derestricting: Worth it? Reply with quote
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TheBassJunky wrote:
Is it worth derestricting my 50cc two-stroke


Might as well, you'll stick out to the police like a sore thumb with a ratted ped and no L plates anyway. Legal or not, it just screams "stolen".


Who said I wasn't going to put 'L' plates on it? Very Happy

I've completed my CBT and have a full car license, but I still need L-plates - or at least I always had them on my last bike.

Didn't know this about the CBT lasting forever - I always thought it expired after two years. Is this definitely true?
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yes it's worth it in my opinion, although we're bound to have law obiding nazi's in this forum.

Does it good, less strangulation, what 50cc is it?

Either way on the whole, be it ped or racer style (rs50) expect anywhere between 45mph and 55mph-60mph.

I'd do it, no one I've ever heard or known of has been caught and/or fined, had the bike convascated, it's not the speed you ride at, it's how you ride it! Wink
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PostPosted: 14:22 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
tristan wrote:
Yes it's worth it in my opinion, although we're bound to have law obiding nazi's in this forum.

Does it good, less strangulation, what 50cc is it?

Either way on the whole, be it ped or racer style (rs50) expect anywhere between 45mph and 55mph-60mph.

I'd do it, no one I've ever heard or known of has been caught and/or fined, had the bike convascated, it's not the speed you ride at, it's how you ride it! Wink


you have been lucky, back in the day when i was at school some kid got clocked at 42 in a 30 on his fiddy and was promptly ripped to bits.

you run the risk at 16.
however, mr bassjunkie yes you might aswell as the rule wont apply to you. a little extra poke would be nice round town.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Re: Derestricting: Worth it? Reply with quote
TheBassJunky wrote:
I've completed my CBT and have a full car license, but I still need L-plates - or at least I always had them on my last bike.

Didn't know this about the CBT lasting forever - I always thought it expired after two years. Is this definitely true?


It's on the DVLA website and everything. I'll have a look for the link as soon as it quieten downs a little.

tristan wrote:
Yes it's worth it in my opinion, although we're bound to have law obiding nazi's in this forum.:


As a law abiding Nazi i would like to point out that the man is perfectly and legally entitled to ride the thing as a light motorcycle...
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Re: Derestricting: Worth it? Reply with quote
Kal wrote:
TheBassJunky wrote:
I've completed my CBT and have a full car license, but I still need L-plates - or at least I always had them on my last bike.

Didn't know this about the CBT lasting forever - I always thought it expired after two years. Is this definitely true?


It's on the DVLA website and everything. I'll have a look for the link as soon as it quieten downs a little.


CHeers - I've always assumed that I'll have to retake it if I don't get my full license within two years.
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to clarify: derestricted 'peds are classed as MOTORCYCLES, not MOPED, theres a big (legal) difference. if i really wanted to nit pick i would say such things as the ped now requires a rear number plate light, and that you need a dipped / full beam light (which some scooters, amazingly, dont have) ect.

regarding the unlimited cbt, again, it only lasts for the life of the licence FOR A MOPED, YOU STILL NEED TO DO A CBT TO RIDE A MOTORCYCLE (i.e. more than 3bhp, or more than 30mph, or more thn 50cc

hope it helps Thumbs Up
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Under 16 ~ It's illegal
Over 16 ~ Er... Get a proper bloody bike? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Re: Derestricting: Worth it? Reply with quote
TheBassJunky wrote:
Is it worth derestricting my 50cc two-stroke, and if so what kind of performance increase should I expect to see?



If you have a manual and can do it yourself or know somebody else that can definately do it for you for a minimal amount of cash or for free then yes. If not, it's a waste of money on a 50cc IMO
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 24 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Keir_K3 wrote:
tristan wrote:
Yes it's worth it in my opinion, although we're bound to have law obiding nazi's in this forum.

Does it good, less strangulation, what 50cc is it?

Either way on the whole, be it ped or racer style (rs50) expect anywhere between 45mph and 55mph-60mph.

I'd do it, no one I've ever heard or known of has been caught and/or fined, had the bike convascated, it's not the speed you ride at, it's how you ride it! Wink


you have been lucky, back in the day when i was at school some kid got clocked at 42 in a 30 on his fiddy and was promptly ripped to bits.

you run the risk at 16.
however, mr bassjunkie yes you might aswell as the rule wont apply to you. a little extra poke would be nice round town.

Thats true it can happen but I've never knwon it to happen personally.
It's what I said it's how you ride ie, do 60mph in a 60 zone the cops wouldn't give a monkey's how you ride it in built up areas mainly is where people get done for anti social riding etc.
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Over 16 ~ Er... Get a proper bloody bike? Rolling Eyes


Rolling Eyes

What do you define as a 'proper bloody bike'?

If it has two wheels and moves under its own power, it's a motorbike.

I don't need, or want, more than a 50cc at the moment as I have my van for driving long distances. The scooter is for commuting to work, doing the shopping, and for pissing about on at weekends.

I have owned 'proper' bikes - had a CG125 for a while.

Why can't you get your head round the fact that some people may ride a 50cc scooter because they want to? It's cheap on the insurance, cheap on petrol, comfortable and easy to ride.
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TheBassJunky wrote:
Noxious89123 wrote:
Over 16 ~ Er... Get a proper bloody bike? Rolling Eyes


Rolling Eyes

What do you define as a 'proper bloody bike'?

If it has two wheels and moves under its own power, it's a motorbike.

I don't need, or want, more than a 50cc at the moment as I have my van for driving long distances. The scooter is for commuting to work, doing the shopping, and for pissing about on at weekends.

I have owned 'proper' bikes - had a CG125 for a while.

Why can't you get your head round the fact that some people may ride a 50cc scooter because they want to? It's cheap on the insurance, cheap on petrol, comfortable and easy to ride.


so is a CG and it's a billion times more reliable than any ped.
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TheBassJunky wrote:
If it has two wheels and moves under its own power, it's a motorbike.


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