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lydanial
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PostPosted: 09:34 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: rider down. Reply with quote

On a ride out this morning was about a mile behind this r6, kept seeing him in the distance on the straights and then wouldnt see him again for a bit. was approaching a notorious corner for nasty camber and a little flick when i see hes gone down,
hes lost the back end over this flick (you can see on the road just after it a black mark where the tyre hit again and possibly locked), bike is a right mess and is in the grass verge and hes laid at the side of the road.

first things first i stop leaving my bike a little distance from scene and jutting out slightly to allow higher visibility.. at this moment a car driver coming the other way stops and starts running over to him as i too start to run over.

car driver gets there first and what is he doing .. trying to undo the helmet.. i am running across trying to undo my helmet and remove my glasses and get it off all while shouting very loud obscenities. the car driver stops for second as i get over there and im like 'what the fuck are you doing?' hes just like, 'ive done first aid and this guys nose is bleeding we need to remove the helmet and put him in a safe position'. i just tell him to back off and call an ambulance.

the biker has full gear yet its still gone through in places , his hands are cut up and the visor is gone from his helmet. his leg also looked slightly bent out of shape (not in a massive way but unatural).
i dont know a lot of first aid but i removed my over jacket (one i wear over leathers to stop wind and lay it over him), basically just sit with him making sure that he can still breathe and just stopping the helmet from moving.

the car driver is back with me now and asking what he should do (the first aid hero) i ask him to sort traffic out try and keep it flowing and basically stop any nutters coming round the corner taking out my bike and probably me and this poor chap on the road. (its not a busy road but it only takes one car).
surprisingly i am thinking very clearly in all this and not flapping around like a mad chicken..

anyway after what seemed like an eternity one of those response vehicles turn up and the guy comes over asks me to stay where i am for now just supporting the helmet as hes checking the chap over, asking me questions on how fast he was going and his names etc etc (obviously assumed we were together). the only thing i could mention was the fact that the guy WASNT going for it as i wasnt and he wasnt pulling away from me.

police arrive and start sorting out traffic follwed very quickly by ambulance.. at this point i am asked to move and a paramedic takes over head holding.
police then start asking me questions again (same as response guy) and again i tell them he couldnt of been speeding.

anyway long story ending, they got his helmet off and him on a board and into ambulance at which point he had come around on and off.

i just sat there surveying the scene and basically feeling like crap, this guy was having a steady ride out and is now a mess, the one consolidating factor is that the response guy came and told me that i have probably saved his life. Thumbs Up

but i rode home (jacketless) and in a very mundane state thinking that this just sucks and wondering if i really enjoy my bike, if that could be me (or worse). if this guy has a familly or anything like that.

anyway probably just feeling a bit down as the only other crashes i have seen the rider has always got up and usually cried when seeing there bike or they involved me of which i got up and walked away.

anyway if you are a member here, i wish you a speedy recovery and when your better can i have my jacket back.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool story although I think you where harsh on the first aid hero Razz did you try and find out who the bloke was?
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just think, if that was you in front you'd probably like to think that the random biker behind you would stop and save your life.

I think that's more likely to happen in the world of motorcycling than in anything else.

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PostPosted: 11:34 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done for acting so calmly and for stopping the motorist from removing the helmet (should only ever be done by someone who knows what they are doing)

In my job I've dealt with a few nasty motorbike accidents and like you its made me feel down and occasionally questioned if I should be riding a bike, its only natural but it does pass. It also gives you a bit of a reality check that these things do happen and hopefully takes your safety sense up a gear for a while.

Try and find out how the rider is, if its good news you'll feel bit better about it.
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PostPosted: 11:56 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You did really well mate. Thumbs Up I agree with an above post, I think bikers will go out of their way to help a fellow rider in trouble. Hope you get your jacket back soon. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

'I've done first aid we've got to take his helmet off' - meh.

The first thing they teach you is not to take them off.

Well done you.

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PostPosted: 12:20 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:
'I've done first aid we've got to take his helmet off' - meh.

The first thing they teach you is not to take them off.



Unless there is a life threatening condition developing underneath it.

Choking on his own blood would be one such condition.

The 'First Aid Hero' may not have been right in this particular scenario (although he was there first and may thus have had more of a grasp on the situation than Lydanial) but his theory was sound.

First Aid is about triage - sometimes you have to risk damage to avoid death.

An interesting read overall, although I'd suggest in the future that bellowing obscenities when you are trying to take charge of a stressful situation is counterproductive, and can lead to more problems further down the line. Project as calm an air as possible, to reassure those around you - especially if you think they are starting to frakk up. It can make all the difference.
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PostPosted: 12:44 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done.

MJ, I agree with what you say, but can shouting obscenities not grab someones attention and then give you time to then take control of the situation? Anyways, I'm sure we could all hope that should the worst happen, we get someone with as much sense and clear thinking to turn up at the scene. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:53 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
Unless there is a life threatening condition developing underneath it.


Point taken.

Thankfully I've never had to deal with this; I've stopped for a few crashes, one bloke was badly burnt when his bike caught fire on the A40. Did the ABCD, put him into the recovery position. Couldn't do much else, just hold his hand until the ambulance arrived.

This is one reason why I'm all for flip-front helmets.
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PostPosted: 13:47 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice one for helping the fella out. Is good to hear a nice story for once considering all the negative stuff that goes around about bikers. Really must get on a first aid course myself sometime as I would'nt have much of an idea of what to do in that situation (apart from leaving the helmet on unless no breathing).
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PostPosted: 13:48 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:

MJ, I agree with what you say, but can shouting obscenities not grab someones attention and then give you time to then take control of the situation?


In some situations, possibly - I certainly don't claim to have the answer to every crisis.

That said; if someone is reacting badly to an already upsetting situation, shouting at them can make them freeze/panic/become aggressive - all of which are counter-productive in the vast majority of circumstances.

Of course it's easy for me to sit here in my pajamas (at 1500hrs Thumbs Up) and pontificate on an incident that I didn't attend; I'm simply adding my tuppence worth to the debate.
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fella you deserve a medal, I can only hope that someone like you is there if I ever have a big off.

Well done on keeping calm and looking after the bloke. A lesser person may have panicked!

Please let us know how the bloke is if you ever find out.

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PostPosted: 13:58 - 25 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mister James wrote:
st3v3 wrote:

MJ, I agree with what you say, but can shouting obscenities not grab someones attention and then give you time to then take control of the situation?


In some situations, possibly - I certainly don't claim to have the answer to every crisis.

That said; if someone is reacting badly to an already upsetting situation, shouting at them can make them freeze/panic/become aggressive - all of which are counter-productive in the vast majority of circumstances.

Of course it's easy for me to sit here in my pajamas (at 1500hrs Thumbs Up) and pontificate on an incident that I didn't attend; I'm simply adding my tuppence worth to the debate.
Yeah cool. No sure anyone can really say they have been in every situation and to that extent behaved rationally and clearly. Thumbs Up
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