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PostPosted: 09:35 - 29 Aug 2007    Post subject: Old-fashioned justice for a scumbag Reply with quote
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=478310&in_page_id=1811

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PostPosted: 09:43 - 29 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
An act born out of frustration from a system which often fails us all.

A class punishment designed to humiliate as opposed to injure, people recover from injury quicker than humiliation. Thumbs Up
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Would it make you chuckle if a mob did the same to you in a case of mistaken identity?

Not entirely sure why NI reverting to medieval levels of criminal mob rule is an appropriate topic for 'chuckling'.
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PostPosted: 10:08 - 29 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Well we used to have punishment beatings and murders so I think they have changed their tactics. Laughing I also giggled when i read it yesterday. They do it where I live also, there was a lamp post covered in tar i noticed.
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haha mad. im sure it wasnt mistaken identity
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 29 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
Based on your in-depth analysis of the evidence? Or the fact you think it's funny to see someone with feathers stuck to them?
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 29 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
I find the use of feathers a bit odd. I doubt I would be bothered about having some annoying feathers stuck to me if I'd just been covered in boiling tar.

Does anyone know the significance of the feathers?

It's a bit like blowing somones kneecaps off and then tickling thier feet.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 29 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
akaDAVE wrote:
Does anyone know the significance of the feathers?.


You look like a prize twat.
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The earliest mention of the punishment occurs in the orders of Richard I of England, issued to his navy on starting for the Holy Land in 1191. "Concerning the lawes and ordinances appointed by King Richard for his navie the forme thereof was this… item, a thiefe or felon that hath stolen, being lawfully convicted, shal have his head shorne, and boyling pitch poured upon his head, and feathers or downe strawed upon the same whereby he may be knowen, and so at the first landing-place they shall come to, there to be cast up" (transcript of original statute in Hakluyt's Voyages, ii. 21).

A later instance of this penalty being inflicted is given in Notes and Queries (series 4, vol. v), which quotes one James Howell writing from Madrid, in 1623, of the "boisterous Bishop of Halberstadt," who, "having taken a place where there were two monasteries of nuns and friars, he caused divers feather beds to be ripped, and all the feathers thrown into a great hall, whither the nuns and friars were thrust naked with their bodies oiled and pitched and to tumble among these feathers, which makes them here (Madrid) presage him an ill-death." In 1696 a London bailiff, who attempted to serve process on a debtor who had taken refuge within the precincts of the Savoy, was tarred and feathered and taken in a wheelbarrow to the Strand, where he was tied to the maypole which stood by what is now Somerset House, as an improvised pillory.

The first recorded incident in America was in 1766: Captain William Smith was tarred, feathered, and dumped into the harbor of Norfolk, Virginia, by a mob that included the town's Mayor. He was picked up by a vessel just as his strength was giving out. He survived, and was later quoted as saying that "…[they] dawbed my body and face all over with tar and afterwards threw feathers on me." As with most other tar-and-feathers victims in the following decade, Smith was suspected of informing on smugglers to the British Customs service.

The punishment appeared in Salem, Massachusetts, in 1767, when mobs avenged themselves on low-level employees of the Customs service with tar and feathers. In October 1769, a mob in Boston attacked a Customs service sailor the same way, and a few similar attacks followed through 1774 (the tarring and feathering of customs worker John Malcolm received particular attention in 1774). Such acts associated the punishment with the Patriot side of the American Revolution. In March 1775, a British regiment inflicted the same treatment on a Massachusetts man they suspected of trying to buy their muskets. There is no case of a person dying from being tarred and feathered in this period.

Joseph Smith, the founder of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was tarred and feathered for alleged acts of depravity against 15 year old Marinda Johnson in February 1832 by the brothers of the victim.

In the 1920s, vigilantes opposed to IWW organizers at the harbor of San Pedro, kidnapped at least one organizer, subjected him to tarring and feathering, and left him in a remote location.

Also in the early 20th century many African Americans were subjected to this treatment as a form of punishment, often for unjust and circumstantial reasons.

Following the Liberation of France in WW2 there were instances of alleged German collaborators being tarred and feathered by street mobs. Most of the victims of this practice were women accused of a Collaboration horizontale, i.e. fraternization with German soldiers.

Similar tactics were also used by the IRA during the early years of the Northern Ireland conflict. Many of the victims were women who had been in sexual relationships with Policemen or British Soldiers.

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PostPosted: 13:25 - 29 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
pff, the drug dealer was only doing his job. seems a bit harsh to me.
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 29 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
while I dont have a problem with a bit of vigilantiism from time to time, there IS the risk, and it may have happened here, that innocent people will be targetted. How do we know for sure that the perpetrator IS the one being punished?

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PostPosted: 16:36 - 29 Aug 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote
The UDA are getting a grant from the government to disarm so tarring and feathering is a milder punishment than kneecapping him.
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Thank goodness for that then, God forbid a terrorist group was taking the law into its own hands! I guess we should all be grateful it wasn't a kneecapping then?
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I read this in the paper apparently he was watched for some time and reported to the police a few times and then he was warned and he moved away, only to move back a few weeks later and then and carry on his operation.

To be fair i think he deserves it.
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Mister James wrote:
Thank goodness for that then, God forbid a terrorist group was taking the law into its own hands! I guess we should all be grateful it wasn't a kneecapping then?


Yes. Noone in these estates have any faith in the police, if there's a thief or joyrider in thier commuinity the police will offer no solution. Maybe fine them £100 or give them a few days painting fences. To be fair the paramilitaries give you plenty of warnings before you get a punishment.
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Yes. Noone in these estates have any faith in the police, if there's a thief or joyrider in thier commuinity the police will offer no solution. Maybe fine them £100 or give them a few days painting fences. To be fair the paramilitaries give you plenty of warnings before you get a punishment.


Perhaps due to years of closed-ranks amongst the population, and attacks on the police by so-called loyalists?

I have no intention at all of being fair to terrorist groups.

Perhaps the communities in NI should decide whether they really do want to live in a peaceful and lawful society, or whether they want to go back to the lawless society of The Troubles.
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I would like to put forward the suggestion that those responsible were 'drug-dealing scumbags' themselves.

I've seen something similar. You gain the moral high ground AND some extra turf.
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nick606 wrote:
I read this in the paper apparently he was watched for some time and reported to the police a few times and then he was warned and he moved away, only to move back a few weeks later and then and carry on his operation.

To be fair i think he deserves it.


Sorry, but this is bollocks. Manafacturers and dealers only exist because of the users.

Ohhh, the big bad dealers... Fuck that, supply and demand, the same as any other business in the world.
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Id say banks are far worse than drug dealers Neutral

Depends what he was dealing, no doubt this guy was grabbed and tied up by some lads who 'knew of him'. He's tried to deal on thier turf or try and expend to where he shouldn't.
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nick606 wrote:
I read this in the paper apparently he was watched for some time and reported to the police a few times and then he was warned and he moved away, only to move back a few weeks later and then and carry on his operation.

To be fair i think he deserves it.


Sorry, but this is bollocks. Manafacturers and dealers only exist because of the users.

Ohhh, the big bad dealers... Fuck that, supply and demand, the same as any other business in the world.


If it wasn't for the scum who take the drugs there would be no dealers, the majority of dealers don't actually use the drugs themselves.

It is the users who cause the problems, stealing & begging to get their fix. Maybe the users should be tied to lamp-posts tarred and feathered then everyone will be aware of the real scum!
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If it wasn't for the scum who take the drugs there would be no dealers, the majority of dealers don't actually use the drugs themselves.

It is the users who cause the problems, stealing & begging to get their fix. Maybe the users should be tied to lamp-posts tarred and feathered then everyone will be aware of the real scum!


Surely if the dealers didn't bring it in there would be no users, problem solved. The majoirty of drug users will only buy things easily accessible to them. I would also doubt that he was selling anything that would have people 'stealing and begging to get thier fix'.
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kitty kat wrote:
Harold_Shand wrote:


Sorry, but this is bollocks. Manafacturers and dealers only exist because of the users.

Ohhh, the big bad dealers... Fuck that, supply and demand, the same as any other business in the world.


If it wasn't for the scum who take the drugs there would be no dealers, the majority of dealers don't actually use the drugs themselves.

It is the users who cause the problems, stealing & begging to get their fix. Maybe the users should be tied to lamp-posts tarred and feathered then everyone will be aware of the real scum!


Remove the dealer remove the problem as the other things are by product. Done because the druggies need money if the dealer wasn't there they wouldn't be doing this stuff as they wouldn't need so much money.
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They would sniff glue, aerosol and thinners. They would rob chemists for drugs and doctors for prescriptions. Getting rid of dealers wouldn't end the problem of deeply unhappy people.
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I would also doubt that he was selling anything that would have people 'stealing and begging to get thier fix'.


In that case, what was the huge problem?

The whole thing reminds me of the pecking order in prisons, where criminals who robbed old ladies console themselves with the fact that rapists are disliked more.
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Another little problem that I will mention, some drug dealers here get hammered for selling drugs to kids,. parents don't like it. Result possibly tarred and feathered lad in street while parents look on. I dont agree with it all but there is a reason for everything normally here especially things like this.
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