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Cigaro
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Open-face lids... Reply with quote

Are they still legal?

I want one with a flip-up full-face visor, if such a thing exists?
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PostPosted: 13:23 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Open face = no face..
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes they are legal and yes you can get flip up helmets like the caberg range. It is not legal to be riding with it open, and i would not go for open face as the post says above = no face.

https://www.motorcycle.co.uk/reviews/caberg_justissimo.html

https://www.hideout-leather.co.uk/folders/flip_up_motorcycle_helmets/
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sometimes feel a bit claustrophobic in a full-face lid though. And it'll be OK for riding the scooter.

I know it's not a great idea as far as safety goes but I'd really appreciate some advice...
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Edit: Cheers stevie.
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

NP i had the caberg one and i found them rather soar on the neck as it was heavier than my shoei xspirit.
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PostPosted: 14:02 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not fond of open face, but we have got one of those flip up full face ones floating around, and I wear it sometimes. I rather like them.

Didn't know you're not supposed to ride around with them up, though, LOL.

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PostPosted: 14:13 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear an open-face lid, they're fully legal. Even the vespa-type 'half' helmet is still basically legal. I quite fancy one of these for riding around town.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Open face are perfectly legal. Plenty of people prefer them.

Think with the flip up lids, whether they are legal as a helmet when flipped up depends on whether they were tested and passed for use as a full face or open face lid.

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PostPosted: 14:40 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Horses for courses.
IMO nothing wrong with an open face lid in the right circumstances.
There's also the right 'look' to be had, lets face it riding a big Harley or one of the clones looks right with an open face lid. Especially on a sunny day with the chrome gleaming (who am I kidding, ever seen a Harley ridden in the rain?).

The big tourer club riders also seem to like them. I'm talking fully kitted out Goldwing types here with the optional trailer on the back.

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PostPosted: 16:01 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wear an open face, and googles, and a face mask. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

Think with the flip up lids, whether they are legal as a helmet when flipped up depends on whether they were tested and passed for use as a full face or open face lid.

That is the case. My Caberg is not certified for use as an open face, so should not be used flipped up (it also sticks up in the wind quite a bit).
Luke's Roof is /only/ certified for use as an open face, so can be used however you want to, however it won't offer as much protection in a crash.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stevie GooGs wrote:
It is not legal to be riding with it open, and i would not go for open face as the post says above = no face.


Total Bollocks!!! There are no regulations in force that states itn is illegal to ride with a flip up in the open position. It is not recommended by the manufacturers, but it is not illegal.

99% of flip front helmets are tested as open faced anyway, and if open faced = no face, flip front = no face and a broken neck!

It has been shown that the degree of protection from a flip front other than against the elements is zero, but because of the slight extra weight at the front and the lack of substance, the chances of a broken neck of the base of the skull are about 70%higher than wearing a normal open face or conventional full face.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You get a LOT more visabitity with an open face lid, both forwards and peripheral.

There is a very valid argument that in wearing an open lid, you are more likely to see and avoid an accident and are therefore safer.

Don't even THINK about arguing with me about the comparative visability in a full vs open face helmet unless you've ridden in both.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew that flip-face helmets were only tested as open-face, but I had no idea they were that bad so it's surprising to see so many coppers using them, and not that I'd ever own one but how do the Schuberth J1 stand up?
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You get a LOT more visabitity with an open face lid, both forwards and peripheral.

There is a very valid argument that in wearing an open lid, you are more likely to see and avoid an accident and are therefore safer.

Don't even THINK about arguing with me about the comparative visability in a full vs open face helmet unless you've ridden in both.


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PostPosted: 18:24 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
You get a LOT more visabitity with an open face lid, both forwards and peripheral.

There is a very valid argument that in wearing an open lid, you are more likely to see and avoid an accident and are therefore safer.

Don't even THINK about arguing with me about the comparative visability in a full vs open face helmet unless you've ridden in both.


Care to share your opinion on no helmet? (I've only done it a few times realised stopped and gone back inside to get me helmet.

BUT there has been a compromise made ,in that at the last bike show I remember seeing open face helmets BUT they had a thin steel "roll bar on the front where a chin guard would be but it was no thicker than a little finger.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
It has been shown that the degree of protection from a flip front other than against the elements is zero, but because of the slight extra weight at the front and the lack of substance, the chances of a broken neck of the base of the skull are about 70%higher than wearing a normal open face or conventional full face.


TC, could you expand on that a bit please and give satistics to back it up? Thing is, Mrs Stalk uses a shoei flip front and if they are that bad she won't be using it any more. By order of me.

Thanks,
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


Care to share your opinion on no helmet? (I've only done it a few times realised stopped and gone back inside to get me helmet.


You certainly ride a lot more carefully and yes, the visability is excellent. Trouble is, your shades fly off if you try to do a shoulder check at anything above 80. Same thing happens at about 110 with an open face.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Total Bollocks!!! There are no regulations in force that states itn is illegal to ride with a flip up in the open position. It is not recommended by the manufacturers, but it is not illegal.

Can you confirm this is the case even when a helmet has only been tested to EC (or whatever they use now) standards with the lid closed and has not been tested as open faced?

A think it's a lot lower proportion than 99% that are tested as open faced - pretty sure all the Caberg range are tested as full-face.

As with Stalk - I'd be interested to see some stats about this; as this definitely wasn't the impression of the situation I'd got regarding the latest flip-front helmets.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheBassJunky wrote:
I sometimes feel a bit claustrophobic in a full-face lid though. And it'll be OK for riding the scooter...


You know that the road doesn't give a fuck what you've just come off.

If its claustrophobic how about one of them off road types with the big chin guard that the ped kids adore round here?


I've occasionally had the Trike out without a lid. To be honest not really noticed much difference. In some ways it feels nicer but it was spoiled by my internal safety nazi saying "shtupid, shtupid, shtupid, shtupid, shtupid..." all the way and then for some while later after I got home...
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
BUT there has been a compromise made ,in that at the last bike show I remember seeing open face helmets BUT they had a thin steel "roll bar on the front where a chin guard would be but it was no thicker than a little finger.

That's the above-mentioned Schuberth J1.

I've had one for about a year and a half and love it. I find an open face helmet (or, in my case, one with a full length visor and chin hoop) better for Central London commuting than a full face one. The peripheral vision is much better, greatly reducing my chances of having an off.

I tend to take it for my weekend pootles out in the country, too, as it's more comfortable, lighter and quieter than my Arai.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm glad I wasn't wearing an open face when I did this:
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:

Total Bollocks!!! There are no regulations in force that states itn is illegal to ride with a flip up in the open position. It is not recommended by the manufacturers, but it is not illegal.


Oh well my instructor told me wrong, he said it was illegal to be riding with the helmet fliped up.
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PostPosted: 22:27 - 06 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love to ride without a helmet but I also know the dangers and it is rare that I do so.
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