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Keen
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PostPosted: 09:15 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: are 250's making a come back? Reply with quote

click for pics of the new 250 ninja

It seems that Kawasaki might be bringing a new version of their popular (outside europe) ninja 250R to our shores. When I was in the US I had one of the old ones and I really liked that little bike, screaming red line and good for over 100mph (indicated at least), comfy, economical and very cheap to buy (I got a 2 year old one that had barely done any miles for 2000 dollars).

So, do you think it'll sell in the UK (I think it will be a great success in europe)? I'm guessing they will try to get power output around the 33bhp mark to make it appeal to those on their restricted license and I assume it will handle very nicely indeed. You can see from the sales of the CBR125 that people are crying out for a small capacity bike that has a sporty look to it.

Is this a sign of the times? do you think tightening emissions laws and the drive to burn less fuel could make smaller cc bikes more popular in the future?
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PostPosted: 09:27 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really hope so, i have seen the honda 250's, and if they were being sold when i passed my test i would have bought one. I doubt i would get one now, but i think they would sell.
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda have never stopped selling the CB250...

Could do with a shit load more bikes on the market that are naturally under 33bhp without having to be resricted.
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PostPosted: 09:35 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Think it will depend a lot on price. From memory the ZZR250 when sold in the UK was more expensive than an Aprilia AF1 of the time, so I would expect this new one to be at least £4k.

And the main market is those who have just done their test. Depends how many other those are fashion victims who just want to be seen on the latest sports 600 / 1000 irrespective of whether they can ride it properly or even whether it is restricted.

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PostPosted: 09:35 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a damn shame that ninja is a parallel twin...
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PostPosted: 09:37 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
Honda have never stopped selling the CB250...

Could do with a shit load more bikes on the market that are naturally under 33bhp without having to be resricted.


I know the CB250, but that was a single and presented the choice with a 250 with 2 / 4 cyclinders i would have gone for it. Plus like the op mentioned, its the sportier 250's i like. The CB is a traditional bike. >.<
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Think it will depend a lot on price. From memory the ZZR250 when sold in the UK was more expensive than an Aprilia AF1 of the time, so I would expect this new one to be at least £4k.


yeah I agree.... the main reason the ninja 250 does so well in the states is that the price is rediculously low. A new one is $2999..... thats 1500 pounds at todays exchange rate for a brand new motorcycle capable of 100mph(ish).
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

alpine wrote:


I know the CB250, but that was a single and presented the choice with a 250 with 2 / 4 cyclinders i would have gone for it. Plus like the op mentioned, its the sportier 250's i like. The CB is a traditional bike. >.<



You are thinking the CB250RS.

The OP meant the CB250T Nighthawk twin.
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those pics show a pretty good looking bike - just the type of thing to get girls interested in bikes. My long-standing (but ever-elusive) love interest is interested in getting a small bike - but is only interested in sexy sportsbikes like that. She was very impressed with the new Yamaha R125 thingy, so a 250 Ninja with similarly impressive looks is going to be right up her street - especially as she weighs 7 stone so could probably go as fast on that as a fat knacker like me would on an R6!
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PostPosted: 10:35 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't wait, we should welcome diversity and choice with open arms, otherwise it's going to become a stagnant market of 600cc and 1000cc sports bikes.

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PostPosted: 10:35 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or the VTR250?
https://www.staintune.com.au/exhausts/honda/images/Honda%20VTR250.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ahh, i was going on what was in the showroom, as that was the only new 250cc there. That VTR looks nice 0.o never seen it before. I believe there was a 250 Hornet aswell? In the Japanese market only though, and produced 40hp?
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PostPosted: 10:42 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Meh, that ninja sucks! A REAL 250 NINJA was the one that i had. That was a hoot. Was well fun in the wet when i overtook my mate on an SV1000S around the outside on a bend! Just a baby zxr400 which looked ace.
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Australian market has a healthy selection of 250's as they are restricted by cc rather than bhp in the first year or so.

I love the VTR, I was looking for one when I came across my GB.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are a sin against man.

The current "ninja 250" is what looks like a gpz.

You can literally ride it full throttle every where and they hate to wheelie Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

McGee wrote:
The current "ninja 250" is what looks like a gpz.


Well, it is a GPx. And closely related to the GPZ250 from over 20 years ago.

But the ZZR250 gets ridden by Dark Angel.

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PostPosted: 11:52 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:


That has a rather close resembalence (SP?) to the Cagiva Raptor 650/1000:

https://perso.orange.fr/prowler2000/essais/pictures/Raptor650-3.jpg

https://www.motobiz.de/fotos/49.jpg
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:


But the ZZR250 gets ridden by Dark Angel.



...and by Uma Thurman in Kill Bill...
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sucks

I want my old ZXR 250 back!!

(i actually do, with all modern parts Drooling )
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

alien.46.uk wrote:

That has a rather close resembalence (SP?) to the Cagiva Raptor 650/1000:

Although that's a fairly modern version I think, I believe there's been models of the VTR250 out for some time that haven't looked /too/ different.

Didn't Dark Angel's 250 have 1100 stickers on it? It also magically transformed into a dirt bike in mid air Razz.
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I took my mate's GN250 for it's MOT wednesday, it was a nice sunny day and since my bike is off the road he told me to take my time coming back. I took it through the villages around Northampton, and although it's not a fast bike I had a stupid grin on my face the whole time. The suspension was soft but the bike was so light I found the boinging around corners not disconcerting at all. The seat/peg/handlebar position was just right for me.

https://www.suzukicycles.org/photos/GN/GN250/1991_GN250_red_450.jpg

I think if the CB250RS was still available (at a realistic price), I'd have another in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd love a Yamaha YBR250 cos my YBR125 was ace, wish I hadn't flogged it, but the YBR250 only seems to be on sale on the continent, doesn't show on the uk Yamaha site.
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 14 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

alpine wrote:
I believe there was a 250 Hornet aswell? In the Japanese market only though, and produced 40hp?


Yeah there is, it is the first ever hornet made and therefore the old 600 shares lots of parts. You can only get them as imports in the UK looking at getting one when I have cash. Seem expensive though but look awesome! 40bhp when not restricted.
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PostPosted: 12:46 - 15 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

McGee wrote:
They are a sin against man.

The current "ninja 250" is what looks like a gpz.

You can literally ride it full throttle every where and they hate to wheelie Laughing


I disagree! I'll admit that in relative terms they're slow, but being able to thrash it to bits without getting into crazy speeds is part of the fun.... full throttle in 6th gear will see over 100 on the clocks.... and they can be wheelied Smile

https://w1.bikepics.com/pics/2001/06/04/bikepics-3141-full.jpg

...but I'll admit I'm biased- I have a sentimental soft spot for these bikes, I had so much fun on mine.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 15 Sep 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The poor thing just backfires all the time now we broke something doing wheelies. Laughing

I must admit its a fun bike to rag cause you just keep it pinned every where. I also perfected sliding on it, just slam the rear brake and knock it side ways. Never tried on a corner just around carparks.

I'll see if he will let me take it out for some videos and pic's Laughing
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