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I wasn't going to join in on all this bickering as I dont really care about politics etc but you have bored me now...
I don't mind the right to bear arms. Although I think the Americans really do need to do some sort of course before they buy one. Even your military dont know how to use a gun properly, hence all the blue on blue deaths caused by your country in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Keeping guns in your house is done by people who are unable to defend themselves without the use of weapons.
I think you will find our crime rates are lower than the Americans in general and then there is the fact you have a higher amount of serious crimes, ie murder, armed robbery etc...
| Quote: | Do not look to the dictionary to associate the word "liberal" with liberals. Many people make that mistake. |
So what you are trying to say is that people make the 'mistake' of looking in a dictionary to find out the CORRECT meaning of the word, yet they are still wrong? Maybe you should just write the dictionary yourself since you know more than everyone else in the world.
I know many people like you, people who are always correct in their opinions even though they are blatently incorrect.
I think you should take a long look at what you are saying before leaving it on this forum.
All in all how well do you think that the US would of done in Iraq/Afghanistan without the british help? We have only 90,000 people in our Army compared to the endless amount in yours, yet you request our help... Think about why. We are a nation of people who get things done, we go the legal and morally correct way to do these things. If we weren't there to 'support' Bush's CRAP excuse for going to war there would of being thousands more deaths to your troops. W
We are a better, more civilized, more controlled and more united as a country then the US. LIVE WITH IT!
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| bikerjoe wrote: | | LeeR wrote: | I hope the links below will help you understand the error of you "reasonings" and if you do have individuals in the USA who claim to be liberal and are yet bigoted and racist then by the very definition of the word they cannot be liberal! |
LeeR, if you do not live in America, you cannot understand what is happening here. The "liberals" (read: self-proclaimed socialists, marxists and communists who called themselves liberals UNTIL America understood their agenda) now call themselves "progressives." They like to anoint themselves with new names and titles when they soil the old ones by their actions.
The LIBERALS in America have NOTHING to do with being "liberal" and that is where the confusion rests. American liberals are all about removing God from EVERYTHING, destroying American values and morals, shredding the U.S. Constitution, redistributing wealth, forcing communism, socialism and Marxism on the citizens, and dragging America down into the status of a third-world country answerable to putrid organizations like the U.N.
Do not look to the dictionary to associate the word "liberal" with liberals. Many people make that mistake.
Liberalism is a PSEUDO-RELIGION here in America, shared by a group of sub-creatures bent on destroying this country. If you think you have problems in the UK now, just wait until America falls, and THEN you'll have problems! |
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| bikerjoe wrote: | | LeeR wrote: | Joe, I rarely do this as being a liberal I usually give everyone their due, but frankly either you have no grasp of the English language or you've lost the plot. |
I am completely on track.
| Quote: | a liberal is one who believes in the choice of the individual, a bigot does not view life this way. |
Wrong. A CONSERVATIVE believes in the choice of the individual. I, as an INDIVIDUAL, believe I have the right to keep and bear arms, the right to make and KEEP as much money as I want, the right to live in any house I can afford, the right to drive any vehicle I choose, the right to my religious beliefs and the right to teach my beliefs to my children. Liberals are all about removing those rights ("It Takes a Village" - Hillary Clinton). Liberals are all about Socialism, Communism and Marxism.
| Quote: | You have your definitions confused pretty much like your understanding of the words "sell" or "sale", but that could be because we're "two nations divided by a common language" |
My definitions are accurate. Geez, this is not a political board .. . this is not a political board ... this is not a political board ...
WHY do liberals accuse conservatives of being bigots and racists, when it is the LIBERALS who go out of their way to divide the population into hyphenated-Americans (African-Americans, Latino-Americans, Asian-Americans, etc) and then use those designations to force favoritism of the various "minorities" on the population in hiring, housing and educational decisions?
I don't know how liberals are in the UK, but I darned sure know all about them here in America, and I wouldn't piss on one of he was on fire! |
the right to bear arms you say?
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| bikerjoe wrote: | American liberals are all about removing God from EVERYTHING |
My understanding is that they are about removing the insistence on the Judeo-Christian God in all aspects of life, politics etc. and attempting to get to the point where you have a little thing called "freedom of religion" rather than risking being fired for teaching children that Adam and Eve might not have atually, literally existed
| bikerjoe wrote: | shredding the U.S. Constitution |
Like GWB is to the "free speech" parts?
EDIT: Just stumbled on this which I think illustrates the point rather well.
| bikerjoe wrote: | redistributing wealth |
OH NOESS!!!! They're going to give my money that I use to buy second homes and third cars to people who will only spend it on food and basic healthcare! How will I survive!!!!!
| bikerjoe wrote: | and dragging America down into the status of a third-world country answerable to putrid organizations like the U.N. |
What exactly is wrong with the UN? Is it that they try to stop you rushing headlong into wars before you have any evidence that the other country is guilty of anything or that they actually have an internationally accepted form of policing the world?
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them pak lits are a good idea but vvvvvery expensive and there are several sites that show you how to make them for pennies and even I could do it
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He seems to of dissapeared...
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Why the abusive rating Flipk?
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| rsooty wrote: | I don't mind the right to bear arms. Although I think the Americans really do need to do some sort of course before they buy one. |
Sorry. Flawed thinking. I have the RIGHT to free speech. Should I be required to take a course before I exercise that RIGHT? You are confusing RIGHTS with PRIVILEGES. Any "privilege" can be controlled by things like competency courses, licenses, etc., but a RIGHT guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution is not subject to such controls. I have the RIGHT to go for a walk. NO ONE can tell me that I cannot take that walk until I have proven myself worthy. Please study the differences between RIGHTS and privileges, because they are huge!
| Quote: | Even your military don't know how to use a gun properly, hence all the blue on blue deaths caused by your country in Iraq and Afghanistan. |
You just soak up the lies of the liberal Left, don't you.
| Quote: | Keeping guns in your house is done by people who are unable to defend themselves without the use of weapons. |
Did someone spill a cannister of testosterone? LOL! Okay Rambo, YOU take on the 300 pound steroid case hyped up on crystal meth who just broke into your house, and put up your fists to defend yourself. LOL! Don't worry. I'll say something nice at your funeral. LOL!
Your statement presumes that a person SHOULD necessarily physically defend himself. Your assumption is flawed. If some piece of shit breaks into my house, and I notice that he has oozing sores on his face, presumably because he has some horrible communicable incurable disease, I'm not going to risk infecting myself by cutting my hand on his one remaining tooth! I'm going to plant him into my wall with a semi-automatic pump shotgun, as I should!
Lots of criminals have AIDS. I have no desire to get into a physical altercation with someone who can kill me by drooling on me. A friend of mine died five years ago, because he was cut by a knife in the 90's during a bar fight. The knife was infected with AIDS. He put up a good fight in the bar, but he is DEAD now. YOU take on the festering sub-creatures in a brawl if you wish. I am quite content to exercise my RIGHT to shoot them DEAD from a safe distance.
| Quote: | I think you will find our crime rates are lower than the Americans in general and then there is the fact you have a higher amount of serious crimes, ie murder, armed robbery etc... |
Apparently you haven't looked at your crime rates recently.
| Quote: | So what you are trying to say is that people make the 'mistake' of looking in a dictionary to find out the CORRECT meaning of the word, yet they are still wrong? |
Yes. The group of sub-creatures I speak of, called themselves "liberals" (now changed to "progressives") but it has nothing to do with BEING "liberal." Many people make the same mistake you did, and try to defend the indefensible.
| Quote: | Maybe you should just write the dictionary yourself since you know more than everyone else in the world. |
you do not understand the difference between the word "liberal" and a Liberal.
| Quote: | I know many people like you, people who are always correct in their opinions even though they are blatently incorrect. |
Thank God I am always correct.
| Quote: | I think you should take a long look at what you are saying before leaving it on this forum. |
What I leave on this forum is information about MOTORCYCLES, the Pak-Lites, my trailer hitches, my travels .... *I* do not introduce politics into my discussions, but when it IS introduced don't expect me to just let some socialist moron take a cheap shot at America and leave it unchallenged.
| Quote: | All in all how well do you think that the US would of done in Iraq/Afghanistan without the british help? |
The British has little effect. The U.S. Marines have done far more,with far less. We would have accomplished the same thing if the Brits never showed up at all.
| Quote: | We have only 90,000 people in our Army compared to the endless amount in yours, yet you request our help... |
That was only to appease the anti-American Liberals. This "multi-national" bullshit. Bush was too much of a pussy to just go in and take care of the problem. No, instead, he had to get other countries involved, so that he could say it is a joint effort. What a load of CRAP!
| Quote: | Think about why. We are a nation of people who get things done, we go the legal and morally correct way to do these things. If we weren't there to 'support' Bush's CRAP excuse for going to war there would of being thousands more deaths to your troops. |
If the Liberals weren't in the way, the war would be over now.
| Quote: | We are a better, more civilized, more controlled and more united as a country then the US. LIVE WITH IT!
Lots of love, Sooty |
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| Quote: | Even your military don't know how to use a gun properly, hence all the blue on blue deaths caused by your country in Iraq and Afghanistan. |
You just soak up the lies of the liberal Left, don't you.
| Quote: | All in all how well do you think that the US would of done in Iraq/Afghanistan without the british help? |
The British has little effect. The U.S. Marines have done far more,with far less. We would have accomplished the same thing if the Brits never showed up at all.
| Quote: | We have only 90,000 people in our Army compared to the endless amount in yours, yet you request our help... |
That was only to appease the anti-American Liberals. This "multi-national" bullshit. Bush was too much of a pussy to just go in and take care of the problem. No, instead, he had to get other countries involved, so that he could say it is a joint effort. What a load of CRAP!
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Sorry, but can't leave these bits lie. I find them incredibly offensive.
What the fuck have liberals got to do with blue-on-blue incidents??!! Dead soldiers don't fucking lie.
Why are the yanks getting in such a flap about us leaving Basra? Cause the British Army get things done, in a calm, professional manner, without arrongance, pride, hot-headedness and too many Hollywood movies clouding their judgement.
Lets pull our troops out of your two endless, shitty wars and let you get the fuck on with them.
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Lots of quotes in this thread aint there...
| Quote: | Sorry. Flawed thinking. I have the RIGHT to free speech. Should I be required to take a course before I exercise that RIGHT? You are confusing RIGHTS with PRIVILEGES. Any "privilege" can be controlled by things like competency courses, licenses, etc., but a RIGHT guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution is not subject to such controls. I have the RIGHT to go for a walk. NO ONE can tell me that I cannot take that walk until I have proven myself worthy. Please study the differences between RIGHTS and privileges, because they are huge! |
Says that to a wheel-chaired person, you have the privilidge of being able to go for a walk as you have use of your legs. (I am going to get a bit nitty gritty to prove a point) If it was a right guaranteed by the US Constitution people would sue them for false advertising
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Even your military don't know how to use a gun properly, hence all the blue on blue deaths caused by your country in Iraq and Afghanistan.
You just soak up the lies of the liberal Left, don't you. |
You sound like a political extremist, trying to poison people against your way of thinking, exactly the same type of person your country accuse the Taliban of being. If you are trying to say your country doesn't send out massive amounts of friendly deaths you are very naive. I work with 2 people who were on tour in Iraq in 2004 when some clever American decided to drop artillery shells into the area where they were, killing plenty of civilians and a few of their mates. Dont believe everything your government tells you.
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Keeping guns in your house is done by people who are unable to defend themselves without the use of weapons.
Did someone spill a cannister of testosterone? LOL! Okay Rambo, YOU take on the 300 pound steroid case hyped up on crystal meth who just broke into your house, and put up your fists to defend yourself. LOL! Don't worry. I'll say something nice at your funeral. LOL!
Your statement presumes that a person SHOULD necessarily physically defend himself. Your assumption is flawed. If some piece of shit breaks into my house, and I notice that he has oozing sores on his face, presumably because he has some horrible communicable incurable disease, I'm not going to risk infecting myself by cutting my hand on his one remaining tooth! I'm going to plant him into my wall with a semi-automatic pump shotgun, as I should!
Lots of criminals have AIDS. I have no desire to get into a physical altercation with someone who can kill me by drooling on me. A friend of mine died five years ago, because he was cut by a knife in the 90's during a bar fight. The knife was infected with AIDS. He put up a good fight in the bar, but he is DEAD now. YOU take on the festering sub-creatures in a brawl if you wish. I am quite content to exercise my RIGHT to shoot them DEAD from a safe distance. |
And you talk about our crime rate? Firstly, you could do with taking something for paranoia. Secondly, since when can someone's drool kill you? Does this person drool anthrax? Is that what the White House is telling you all now? It doesn't take a 20 minute brawl to defend yourself. A man will drop to the floor if you kick him in the balls if he has a knife or not, whether he is high or not, whether he has aids or not.... There are many ways to restrain a person without shooting them, it is very easy to get hold of tazers, stun guns, CS gas, pepper spray... even a baseball bat, these all do the same job without a massive chance of death.
Also, if it is a RIGHT to own a gun, the chances are anyone who is going to rob you will own a gun, as it is his/her RIGHT, it is also likely that since they know what they are planning, by the time you open the door he will have the gun pointing at your head, before you have time to think about getting your own pistol, *load it, cock it take the safety off*, aim your shaking hand as you have never done this before and pull the trigger he has shot you 5 times in the chest, twice in the head, missed twice and changed his magazine incase your family come out...(Before you get pedantic, I realize it may already be loaded and even possibly cocked, but if you are going to tell me you leave it in your pocket with no safety on you deserve to get AIDS). Anyway, I will carry on with my thoughts... Your family don't come to see what is going on as the intruder had time to prepare and used a silencer to lessen the sound of the gunshot so he now proceeds to check your house and kills your family even though they are not a threat as you had your familys only gun, he did this as its his RIGHT to own a gun and after he decided to rob you he thought 'If I dont take a gun the guy I rob might shoot me as its his RIGHT to own a gun, if he does shoot me I may end up disabled and therefore loose my RIGHT to go for a walk' blah blah blah bored of typing.
Anyway, the point being, the only people in the community who should have weapons are Police, Military, possibly Firemen and Hospital security. The only thing that comes from everybody having a gun is deaths and stupid Americans talking to foreigners about how good their country is because its STUPID RETARDED government gave them the RIGHT to bear arms and kill each other. | Quote: | Quote:
So what you are trying to say is that people make the 'mistake' of looking in a dictionary to find out the CORRECT meaning of the word, yet they are still wrong?
Yes. The group of sub-creatures I speak of, called themselves "liberals" (now changed to "progressives") but it has nothing to do with BEING "liberal." Many people make the same mistake you did, and try to defend the indefensible. |
I would try and figure out what the hell you are smoking whilst typing this crap but starting to get bored after the above reply...
| Quote: | you do not understand the difference between the word "liberal" and a Liberal. |
Again, you sound like some Catholic in Northern Ireland 15 years ago telling tourists that what the protistants say is incorrect because, umm, errrrrrr, because they are not catholic. (No offence, trying to make a point)
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What I leave on this forum is information about MOTORCYCLES, the Pak-Lites, my trailer hitches, my travels .... *I* do not introduce politics into my discussions, but when it IS introduced don't expect me to just let some socialist moron take a cheap shot at America and leave it unchallenged. |
Try being the 'bigger' man and all that crap and leave the thread to die a quick painless death and begin to post good threads so we forget how much of a twat you are. Also, research the people you are talking to. If you had done this you would of realised we are mainly european and therefore have no need for these pointless creations for on the road as we use warning triangles which last longer then an 8 day battery as they are re-usable. If we were going to use such piss as a torch we would probably make it ourselves as when we got an education they taught use more than our countries history and how to be a cheerleader. I personally got taught basic electrics which surpasses the ability to solder a switch to an LED and a battery connector without hiring someone to do it for me for $30.
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All in all how well do you think that the US would of done in Iraq/Afghanistan without the british help?
The British has little effect. The U.S. Marines have done far more,with far less. We would have accomplished the same thing if the Brits never showed up at all. |
The US Spec Forces have the ability of a dead Salmon. My Pl Sgt was an infanteer in the Light Infantry, just a normal infantry regiment over here, but he was sent to the US for 2 years to TEACH your special forces, Delta Force or whatever they are called, how to use a weapon, go undetected and basically how not to die. So your Spec Forces are about as good as our basic infanteer, proven, FACT! The only reason your troops get anywhere on their own is due to the fact your government throws billions of pounds into providing your troops with top of the range kit and weapons, which they still do not use properly. Your mechanics are trained on a specific vehicle only for some STUPID reason. I once met an american Sgt, her job was to clean water containers, WOW!
You could of gone to war on your own, yes. We were taken not to help fight, but because we have a reputation known around the world at being fair and helping to the civilians in countries we 'help'. Iraqi civilians have being known to run away from Americans to the hands of Brits for safety as all you people do out there is shoot anyone who doesn't know your National Anthem. Bored of replying to that quote too now.
| Quote: | If the Liberals weren't in the way, the war would be over now. |
Back to the whole terrorist point I made.
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Lots of love, Sooty
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Nothing to say, just wanted to make this slightly longer
Just one more point...
I know the UK is quite poor at sports when it comes to putting together national teams. But how come with the endless population of the Americans and the amount of time you spend playing and supporting sports in your country you are so rubbish? You invented sports to be good at them yet Basketball - the Serbian team is better than the American. American Football - The Scottish team has beat you before now. Ice hockey - Well, we all LOVE Canada You put out 'soccer' teams which would be more suited at Disney land then in a World cup. Your poor attempt at Rugby becomes a laughing stock everywhere. Not only the lack of ability in sport but, although you have some of the best facilities for sport in the world, you have the highest percentage of FAT BASTARDS in the world.
Anyone who reads this far, thank you.
Gonna let him read and pick up on the fact I have Liberal confused with the word Breast now.
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| rsooty wrote: | Anyway, the point being, the only people in the community who should have weapons are Police, Military, possibly Firemen and Hospital security. |
I've got to disagree with you there. Screw "rights", screw permission, what if I need to defend myself against someone in the military or police? What if there's looting and rioting after a flood/other natural disaster and I'm the only one who bothered stocking up on food and water? You think I'm going to hand it out?
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| TheShaggyDA wrote: | | rsooty wrote: | Anyway, the point being, the only people in the community who should have weapons are Police, Military, possibly Firemen and Hospital security. |
I've got to disagree with you there. Screw "rights", screw permission, what if I need to defend myself against someone in the military or police? What if there's looting and rioting after a flood/other natural disaster and I'm the only one who bothered stocking up on food and water? You think I'm going to hand it out? |
If said happens you dont tell everyone that you have food and water then they do not know. If you need to defend yourself against the military or police it is probably due to a minimal reasons, firstly if they decide to take over the world, which will probably be met by other countries stopping them. Another reason would be you are a naughty person and need stopping, in which case they would probably send hundreds of people to get you and it would be pointless strugling as you would die anyway. There are alot of 'what if's' in there, not trying to be argumentative. No person in the world could ever be prepared for all the possibilities of the future.
If anyone does have a reason why the average Joe Bloggs would need a gun then please post it for me to be corrected.
Think, if EVERYONE had guns, to have the advantage the police and military would get more serious weapons and increase armour. The average person would not stand a chance.
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But by having a gun now whilst the majority don't, I would not be "an average person" and would therefore stand a much better chance. Should it get to the point where everyone was armed, I'd have to go one step further, and mine my front lawn 
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The British has little effect. The U.S. Marines have done far more,with far less. We would have accomplished the same thing if the Brits never showed up at all.
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So you insult the queen, and the British army on 2 seperate threads in a UK based bike forum?....
explain this to me then mr yank redneck know it all...
Why the fuck send marines, effectively water soldiers, to fight in a desert!!!
fucking simple isn't it GWB send in the desert rats! clue is in the name chap
Cheers
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P.S instead of buying expensive lights id spend my money on wallpaper for the nice little hole you've just dug yourself....
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