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 Posted: 13:57 - 27 Sep 2007  Post subject: Sat-navs do deal with DfT to watch you |
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| Quote: | A secret operation is allowing officials to pinpoint the exact location of thousands of vehicles with satellite navigation systems.
The controversial scheme is built into the small print of a contract between the Department for Transport and the satnav company Trafficmaster.
Currently the 'spy in the sky' system is limited to some 50,000 drivers who have Trafficmaster's Smartnav system.
However, the system could provide the blueprint to monitor the location, speed and journey details of millions of drivers in years to come.
Such a system might be used to manage a system of road pricing, where motorists are charged according to which roads they use and the time of day. It might also be used to identify speeding drivers.
It could also be used by everyone from the police to the taxman to discover whether an individual is where they claim to have been at any point in time.
The Daily Mail has seen details of the £3million contract. The partnership, which began in July, is described by the DfT and the company as necessary to monitor traffic flows and congestion blackspots.
However, the small print makes clear that the information being collected and handed over to the Government is far more detailed and, potentially, sinister.
The document states: "The unprocessed data to be supplied - by Trafficmaster - will consist of individual vehicle location reports and associated information."
It then gives an example of what this 'associated information' is together with how it should be collated and presented.
This includes a unique number identifying the vehicle, two six-figure Ordnance Survey readings for the location, and the date and time when the information was captured. It also includes what kind of vehicle it is, the speed it is travelling and the direction.
A snapshot of this information is collected at 15-minute intervals and then collated and provided in its raw form to the DfT. A Trafficmaster spokesman said: 'Our responsibility is to provide the data. It is not necessarily our responsibility or decision as to how it is used.'
The revelations will fuel concerns that Britain is turning into a surveillance society.
However, the DfT stressed that all the information is anonymised to ensure they do not have the personal details of drivers.
A spokesman said: "This contract provides anonymous data about sections of journeys made so we have a good understanding of where and when congestion is forming. Without fully understanding the effects of congestion we cannot develop ways of tackling it.
"We have no interest in knowing where people are travelling to and from."
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It's from the Daily mail, say no more.
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| Posted: 14:44 - 27 Sep 2007 Post subject: |
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um, satnav systems receive signals from satellites. There is NO method of transmitting that data with existing systems.
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If you have paid extra for the Smartnav Assist, it does offer vehicle tracking, so this could be (ab)used by trafficmaster, but it will ONLY be with the TrafficMaster systems, and not from SatNavs in general.
The trafficmaster cameras (the blue ones) operate by taking a substring of the car's numberplate (not the full reg number) and checking it's progress along stretches of road to determine traffic flow. Again, due to the nature of this system of measurement, knowing excactly where anyone is at any point in time is almost impossible.
I call 'bollocks' on this story.
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My portable satnav is used in many vehicles, I have 2 cars, a van and a bike.
Not to mention If soeone wanted to borrow it....
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Well thats news to me as well as when one was knocked down near Stoke I just hat do have a look see and there was just a basic of basic sensor in there. Scary if they have been all updated! 
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Hi
Hardly difficult to knock up a numberplate recognition system. About 15 years ago using normally available equipment (cheap video camera) a friend wrote some software which used visual recognition to follow lace patterns and cut it, and that had to cope with the pattern distorting as it was pulled through the cutter. Far more difficult, and he did that working alone.
GPS units have no need to communicate to anything else. As I understand it al the GPS system does is send a continuous stream of time stamps from each of the satellites to nobody in particular. All the GPS unit does is take these time stamps and from the tiny difference in times it can calculate relative distances from each of the satellites and from that come up with the poisiton.
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Look at the up side....
Some twat nicks you pride and joy its easy to find just where it is. 
Well unless they have it in loads of bits anyway.
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