A VERY handy bike accessory

[bikerjoe]

[McGee]

Joe I suggest you just jog on mate.

[MementoMori]

[Peter3hg]

[The Tot]

American Football = making the objective of 13 men running up and down a field with a ball much harder to comprehend because of the unnecessary play lists and tactics. You can't win a game with a draw. The people playing it seem to be incompetent because they do not have the scope, creativity or mental capacity of running offence and defence at the same time. The superbowl is misleading - i was expecting a large bowl of kellogs fruit and nut in the morning, and not some cheesy half time show. Them motorola headsets coaches wear are unnecessary, what's wrong with minature items such as what rugby referees wear? And because america probably doesn't have as many academics as in the UK (YES, Sir Isaac Newton and Stephen Hawking ARE english ), they lure people into colleges (which we call universities) by letting them play this "american football" which bides no derivation with "the beautiful game". Mind you, it'll probably require all the mental commitment and possibly a degree in order to learn all the unnecessary play lists! Well my rant of american football all stems from the fact that my aunt's husband won't shut up about it - coaches a pee wee "touch football" league - also, i don't understand why they call a game "football" when 99% of the time, the ball does not make contact with the boot.

Sorry i had to let this rant go off!

Meanwhile

Rugby = A Gentleman's game
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[feef]

Bikerjoe:

I have never heard such arrogance and naiveity in my life.

Various points I've considered from this topic, which I can't be bothered going through and quoting.

A specific religion has no place in politics, the constitutiion or laws of any country. However, politics, the constituion and law should protect the right to believe what they want to believe, irrespective of whether or not it's a chrisitan god, a hindu god or the flying spaghetti monster.

Someone who has liberal political views (not necessarily "A Liberal" by name) would ask, therefore, that god not be referred to in political documents as it is making an assumtption and an assertation as to the preference of a single religion within the political decision making.

With regards to military issues. If it was ONLY the US 'Liberal' propaganda machine that was claiming cases of friendly fire, then we could understand you thinking it doesn't happen, and that the US forces are accurate and properly trained. Howver, when it's international media, other governments and independant organisations who are also making these statements, it does question your argument. What's worse is when people we know have been, or have witnessed others being killed by US friendly fire, are called liars. That is sheer arrogance and blatantly offensive to those involved.

When you visit the UK, can you tell one of my friends that he is a liar, and that he didn't see his colleague and friend be killed by friendly fire and that it was all made up by 'Liberal propaganda'?

The US view on the world is very insular, and the perception of the average US citizen to those of us in Europe is of naivety and arrogance. You are not doing anything to alleviate that perception.

I admire your patriotism, and there is nothning wrong with being proud of one's country, however posturing that it is 'better' than another country is again arrogant.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki DID go well.
In both cases bombs were dropped that were designed by a collection of Austrian, German, Hungarian, British and Canadian scientists. Oh, and Ableson, the American Physicst

Dont forget that iconic WWII Fighter, the P-51 Mustang, and it's british Rolls-Royce merlin engine. Yes it originally had an Allison engine (in fact the ONLY US designed and built engine to see service in WWII) but that couldn't see the aircraft higher than 15000ft, relative to the 22000ft offered by the Merlin.

So get down off you're stupid highhorse and realise that the UK and Europe have contributed easily as much, if not more, to the freedom, ability and wealth of the US as you have to the rest of the world.

a
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[LeeR]

Well I think that discussion opened up nicely and got the point across...
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[mistergixer]

Of course, friendly fire does not exist.
From Wikipedia:
1991 - American A-10 during Operation Desert Storm attacks British armoured personnel carriers killing nine British soldiers (the same number as were killed by enemy fire in the whole war).
1992 - USS Saratoga during a no-notice exercise that included a simulated RIM-7 launch; confusion ensued, and a sailor launched into the bridge of the Turkish destroyer Muavenet killing 5.
1994 - In the Black Hawk Incident, two U.S. Air Force F-15Cs involved with Operation Provide Comfort shot down two U.S. Army UH-60 Black Hawks over northern Iraq, killing 29 military and civilian personnel.
2001 - American F/A-18 dropped 3 Mk-82 bombs on a friendly observation post killing six and wounding 11 at Al Udairi Range, Kuwait.
2002 - American F-16 pilot dropped a 500 lb (228 kg) bomb on Canadian soldiers performing a live-fire exercise, killing four and injuring another 8 in the Tarnak Farm incident.
2003
American aircraft attacked a friendly Kurdish & U.S. Special Forces convoy, killing 15. BBC translator Kamaran Abdurazaq Muhamed was killed and BBC reporter Tom Giles and World Affairs Editor John Simpson were injured. The incident was filmed. [11]
American Patriot missile shot down in error F/A-18C Block 46 Hornet 164974 of VFA-195 50 mi from Karbala, Iraq, killing the pilot.
American Patriot missile shot down a British Panavia Tornado GR.4A ZG710 'D' of 13 Squadron killing the pilot and navigator, Flight Lieutenant David Rhys Williams and Flight Lieutenant Kevin Barry Main, both from 9 Squadron
British Royal Marine Christopher Maddison killed when his river patrol boat was hit by missiles after being wrongly identified as an enemy vessel approaching a Royal Engineers checkpoint on the Al-Faw Peninsula, Iraq.[6]
British Challenger 2 tank came under fire from another British tank in a nighttime firefight, blowing off the turret and killing two crew members, Corporal Stephen John Allbutt and Trooper David Jeffrey Clarke [12]
190th Fighter Squadron, Blues and Royals friendly fire incident - March 28, 2003 when a pair of American A-10s from the 190th Fighter Squadron attack four British armoured reconnaissance vehicles of the Blues and Royals, killing Lance-Corporal of Horse Matty Hull, during the invasion of Iraq.
2004 - Pat Tillman, famous American football player and friendly fire victim in Afghanistan.
2005
American soldier Mario Lozano is suspected of killing Italian intelligence officer Nicola Calipari and wounding Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena in Baghdad. Sgrena had been kidnapped and subsequently rescued by Calipari; however, it is claimed that the car they were escaping in failed to stop at an American checkpoint, and U.S. soldiers opened fire.
American troops opened fire on a Bulgarian convoy. Junior Sergeant Gardi Gardev was killed.
2006
During Operation Medusa, two U.S. A-10 Thunderbolt IIs strafed their own NATO forces in southern Afghanistan, killing Canadian Private Mark Anthony Graham, and seriously wounding five others when soldiers were trying to seize a Taliban stronghold along the Arghandab River. Graham was a former Canadian Olympic athlete who competed on the Canadian 4x400 Men's Relay Team at the 1992 Barcelona Olympics.
A U.S. machine gunner accidentally shot (from behind) and killed Canadian Pvt. Robert Costall and Vermont National Guard Sgt. John Thomas near Kandahar, in Afghanistan.
British Marine Jonathan Wigley, 21, is killed during an intense battle in Helmand province by American fire. [7]
2007
An American airstrike kills eight Kurdish Iraqi soldiers. [13]
U.S. forces kill seven Afghan police officers. [14]
An USAF F-15s called in to support British ground forces in Afganistan drops a bomb on those forces, killing Privates Aaron McClure and Robert Foster, both 19, and John Thrumble, 21, of the 1st Battalion, the Royal Anglian Regiment, and severely injuring two others.[8]



Let me guess, this is all lies and propaganda spread by MARXISTS, LIBERALS, PINKOS AND COMMIES in an attempt to subvert and destroy the American way of life. At a guess i'd say respected BBC journalist John Simpson faked his own injuries in order to expedite the destruction of the last bastion of civilisation and free thought in the western world.
Of course, Lance Corporal Matt Hull was also a dangerous subversive, as was Mr A. Walker the assistant deputy coroner who described the American refusal to (initially) release information pertaining to his death as 'appalling' and 'inexcusable'.
Fuck off Joe, just fuck right off. I can honestly say that you are lucky to be seperated from us by a large expanse of water, otherwise i think there would be a rather large queue of people at your front door, desperate to try to kick some sense into that rather empty vessel atop your neck.

(i would like to point out that i in no way support or condone our prescence in Iraq [that's I-raq to you BJ) or Afghanistan, but to besmirch the deaths of UK servicemen at the hands of US troops as 'soaking up the lies of the liberal left' is going a little too far for my liking)
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[Jaloopa]

I just hope you realise that you are displaying the exact qualities that make people all over the world think all americans are tosspots
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[bikerjoe]

[bikerjoe]

[bikerjoe]

So ANYWAY ... About these nifty BIKE ACCESSORIES ...
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[feef]

[oddkid]

You know what, the BCF community is pathetic. I signed up to this thinking that it would be a forum full of 'Bikers' you know considerate family sort of people, another biker is your brother style of thing.

Every damned thread i open on this site, theres some prat who just flames whatever has been said. You're not setting a good example really, you're making bikers look like bitchy kids and you're harming the reputation of the site.
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[feef]

I consider BCF to be a collective of people who have a common interest, i.e. Biking.

That doesn't mean we need to talk about bikes all the time, and it's always interesting to stimulate debate and discussion about wider topics.

However, I do agree that simple flaming isn't a valid component of discussion and debate, but I'd not say that there's been much Bitchines in here.

If anything, I think this thread shows that bikers are NOT how the various stereotypes portray us, and we do have a wider education, understanding and care about things outside of riding bikes.

If I was a non-biker, looking to learn more about the mentality of motorcyclists, and ALL you read about was kneedown, wheelies, speeding, riding fast, racing, leathers latest bike, would you not consider those involved to be naive and selfish?

There's argument and 'bitchiness' everywhere in life, the fact it happens here just shows we are more than 'bikers'

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[oddkid]

I agree about talking about wider issues, don't get me wrong, but theses are merely suggestions, why does one of the first 5 replies have to be 'you're a cock go away'? I made reference to the biking community in the sense that generally don't we all stick together? Nod as we pass? Help when we're needed?

Like i said, i'm sick of it now, i see it as unnecessary.
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[feef]

[oddkid]

Noted
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[TheShaggyDA]

[panrider_uk]

There're loads of examples of overpriced stuff - digi cameras (compared to film), spectacles, anything with a 'designer' logo on it, honda exhausts.

People will still buy them.

Mark
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[Runaway987]

I love yanks.


"What's that? You don't like what I have to say? Oh... . Hey! I guess you're just bitter you aren't American right?! "

Cracks me up every time.