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PostPosted: 21:43 - 15 Oct 2007    Post subject: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

On the way to work this morning I approached the roundabout at the bottom of North dane way. Its a dual carriage road leading onto a roundabout. I filtered down the stationary traffic on the NC30.

I dont like filtering right onto roundabouts, So I usually re-join the que one or 2 cars back and then go onto the roundabout when its my turn. As I tried to pull in behind a transit. A bloke driving a Saab decided to close the gap very quickly and keep it closed.

I just edged forwards towards the back of the transit a bit more, and I was diagonally positioned in the gap at this point. The driver of the saab pulled right forwards and actually touched my right leg with the bumper of his car.

I was fuming! If I hadnt of been late for work id of stopped and said somthing. it just winds me up. He then gave me the wanker sign, So i pulled onto the roundabout, went round and come off at my exit, he was right behind me. I mean RIGHT behind me. So I slowed down to about 5 mph, but hogged the lane so he couldnt overtake.

He got dangerously close, So i just shot off and made my way to work.

Winds me up so much, Cagers have to face it that bikers are going to filter. end of, Why do they get worked up that they are sat in traffic!?! Do your bike test you lazy fat cunt and ride a bike, Then you will understand why we filter. Cool

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PostPosted: 21:49 - 15 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bah normal everyday commute incident,

I'd say don't commit to this and that gap , sit along side it so if you do get people who close the gap you can skip to the one ahead,

I often wave thanks to drivers who let me in too ,
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 15 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, if you often thank drivers for letting you in and use the same route to work at the same time they start remembering you for saying thank you and let you in more often and give you a bigger berth.

They wont see you as an arse on a bike anymore, theyll see you as the kind, courteous motorcycle rider who isnt a hooligan.
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PostPosted: 22:33 - 15 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would have thought the car touching your leg would have been a cue for some prima-donna screaming and stage acting in the style of an Italian footballer going down in the penalty box?
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PostPosted: 23:10 - 15 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clearly today was a day of biker cager war. I salute you, my valiant comrade!
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PostPosted: 23:29 - 15 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

binge wrote:
Cagers have to face it that bikers are going to filter. end of, Why do they get worked up that they are sat in traffic!?! Do your bike test you lazy fat cunt and ride a bike, Then you will understand why we filter. Cool



You have to realise that even though you can filter you may not have right of way. I am a biker but if you try and filter like a twat when I'm in the car there an increased chance I'll knock you off.

For the next 6 weeks I have to drive 15 miles each way across the south of London and back every day in the car and I give bikers more than enough room than they need. If they show me respect they will get it back. Thumbs Up

Riding a bike does not automatically give you the right to ride it where it will fit.
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PostPosted: 23:33 - 15 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:

You have to realise that even though you can filter you may not have right of way. I am a biker but if you try and filter like a twat when I'm in the car I'll knock you off.

For the next 6 weeks I have to drive 15 miles each way across the south of London and back every day in the car and I give bikers more than enough room than they need. If they show me respect they will get it back. Thumbs Up

Riding a bike does not automatically give you the right to ride it where it will fit.


That may be so, but how on earth can you justify causing an accident out of some kind of bravado?
Intentionally knocking someone off their bike in traffic potentially constitutes attempted murder - I think you need a serious reality check.
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 15 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should learn not to let things bother you.

Just pulled more to the right and waited.

Or I always filter to the front of a round about anyway. (I suppose if your going immediate left it might be an issue). You could always go fully round the roundabout.

Ohh if he had intentionally hit me, I'd have intentionally hit him harder.

Remember when you are hitting a car mirror to hit down, don't slap it left or right as it'll spring back later.

A good quick down action is all that is needed.

Also carbon fibre knuckles can smash glass, its better if you are a left hander though.

I've heard metal toe sliders are ace on car doors also.
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PostPosted: 03:22 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

its hard to know what to do in that posistion when the driver doesnt give way, i was at my traffic lights on my main road a while back with the gf one the back, and they recently put new lanes and lights in, this woman gets in lane to go right... but then decided that me and my gf where in a much better lane and thought she could drive through us like we where ghosts, so i instantly got on the throttle with the clutch in and the horn to alert her of my presence and thank god it worked or we would of been under her BMW (ye see they all do it dont they) gettin dragged underneath with my FZR and my gf. another time i just punched the window and they got a bit scared and gave way, and the other nite on the way to blackpool some twat in a run down nova and big bore zorst tried to race me so i breifly put my brakes on and he fucked of 2 miles back and flashed sorry to me.
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PostPosted: 08:00 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Evil or Very Mad id have went NUTS! as soon as his hitting your leg thats more then enough reason to switch on him!

SPECIALLY a saab driver Laughing
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PostPosted: 08:06 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

LUXY DJ wrote:
Evil or Very Mad id have went NUTS! as soon as his hitting your leg thats more then enough reason to switch on him!

SPECIALLY a saab driver Laughing


Should have given his headlight a boot through Laughing filthy dirty saab driving homo!
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

repiV wrote:


That may be so, but how on earth can you justify causing an accident out of some kind of bravado?
Intentionally knocking someone off their bike in traffic potentially constitutes attempted murder - I think you need a serious reality check.


So when its the other way round its ok for a so called "biker" to take a mirror off or kick a door. I know its different things but you can't have different rules for different types of transport.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

repiV wrote:

That may be so, but how on earth can you justify causing an accident out of some kind of bravado?
Intentionally knocking someone off their bike in traffic potentially constitutes attempted murder - I think you need a serious reality check.


I didnt mean I'd do it on purpose. the way some people filter is bordering on suicidal, I'm constantly looking around me and some of them still appear out of knowhere.
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
Riding a bike does not automatically give you the right to ride it where it will fit.


Oh yes it does. I grant myself the right.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that a lot of car drivers are just jealous that they don't have the balls to ride a bike in the 21st century. I'd hate to sit in the traffic like they do, I know the risks are higher, as I sit here typing with a broken foot, but I'll be back on a bike filtering to work asap.

I would say filter to the front next time, you'll always be quicker away than the cars either side of you and run less risk of Saab driving muppets squeezing you out. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:29 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:

You have to realise that even though you can filter you may not have right of way. I am a biker but if you try and filter like a twat when I'm in the car I'll knock you off.


Thats extraordinarily subjective. If you ride slower than me, you're slow. If you ride faster than me you're mad.

Its an oft quoted maxim, but remains true. Personally, I find that contact with another vehicle, particularly deliberate as described in this thread, particularly to a vunerable road user, requires one to get off of the motorcycle, stride purposefully toward the car, get them to wind down the window, drag the driver half out of the car through the open window and ask him what the fock he thinks he is playing at.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

Finglonga wrote:

So when its the other way round its ok for a so called "biker" to take a mirror off or kick a door. I know its different things but you can't have different rules for different types of transport.


Taking a mirror off or kicking a door doesn't cause injury or death.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:

I didnt mean I'd do it on purpose. the way some people filter is bordering on suicidal, I'm constantly looking around me and some of them still appear out of knowhere.


Ah, right. That's a bit different. Smile
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

repiV wrote:
Finglonga wrote:

So when its the other way round its ok for a so called "biker" to take a mirror off or kick a door. I know its different things but you can't have different rules for different types of transport.


Taking a mirror off or kicking a door doesn't cause injury or death.


Didn't say it was. But it would cause injury to anyone that did it to my car. Wink
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PostPosted: 12:09 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Personally, I find that contact with another vehicle, particularly deliberate as described in this thread.


I never said it would be deliberate. Laughing
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PostPosted: 12:10 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeR wrote:
II would say filter to the front next time, you'll always be quicker away than the cars either side of you and run less risk of Saab driving Muppet's squeezing you out. Thumbs Up



At the front you will be, but this thread and the other started the same day, both have been behind other vehicles, as such you are stuck to the speed of them, which negates any advantage a bike has.
While you may feel you have a justified right to knock their mirrors off for blocking you out, if they go to the police with your number and report you.... Who is the one in the dock ?
You can argue all you like about how they blocked you, but you are the one who has caused the damage.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
At the front you will be, but this thread and the other started the same day, both have been behind other vehicles, as such you are stuck to the speed of them, which negates any advantage a bike has.


I was commenting on binge's statement that he's reluctant to filter right to the front on an island.

iooi wrote:
While you may feel you have a justified right to knock their mirrors off for blocking you out, if they go to the police with your number and report you.... Who is the one in the dock ?
You can argue all you like about how they blocked you, but you are the one who has caused the damage.


Think you got the wrong guy here, I never advocated criminal damage or violence and never will. Karma
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PostPosted: 12:17 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeR, I know you haven't advocated violence, was a general comment and not aimed at you Thumbs Up Karma

Like binge, i do not like filtering to the front at roundabouts as far too many drivers go straight across and you end up in a sandwich halfway across....
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh okay, sorry I just read it that way I think it's the drugs... Embarassed

I was also very reluctant to filter right to the front of queues but, I found unless the traffic was flowing I couldn't blend in as it were. I'd end up trying to make a gap out of nothing and then I'd get squeezed so now I do filter to the front. I'm either quicker away, or as cars are passing on the island I blend in where a car wouldn't be able to.

Tis a dark art though, and it appears from recent posts that car drivers are becoming less tolerant of bikers who shall we say, try to make the most of their opportunity.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 16 Oct 2007    Post subject: Re: Filtering conflict with car this morning Reply with quote

TheShaggyDA wrote:
gsxrmick wrote:
Riding a bike does not automatically give you the right to ride it where it will fit.


Oh yes it does. I grant myself the right.
Bet me to it, I go anywhere I can fit and if they don't let me in or acknowledge me, I just launch quicker than them.

My dad doesn't agree with me filtering but I'm pretty damn sure if he rode bikes he would do the same. It's not my fault I have the ability and that happens to annoy some cagers. Twisted Evil
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