Moving abroad.....

[Dan 4RR]

Having being informed today that one of our engineers has applied for a job in New Zealand in the hope that he & his family will lead a better life, and then earlier this year a close friend emigrated to New Zealand because of his fathers job, and then even further back to last July when my older brother emigrated to Australia due to a new position coming up at work, it seems people are dropping like flies and moving away.

I know there are moving abroad topics started every couple of months asking where people would like to move and why…… but why can’t you move? What’s stopping /more/ people emigrating?
It’s practically every year that the newspapers release figures showing why British people emigrate, main reasons often repeated such as crime, escalating cost of living, buckling infrastructure, continuous rise of immigrants, overcrowd ness, etc. The main countries often include Oz, Nz, US, Can, SA, Spain, Germany, France.

But what I want to know is why people who want to leave the UK are still here if they hate it so much, is it age restrictions, criminal record, financial difficulties, lack of experience, not enough reference’s, family commitment, etc? For those that have had the chance to move and didn’t take it up, why not?
I’m aiming to move to Australia by the time I reach my early thirties at a maximum , can’t go yet as I don’t have enough cash or experience/ references. Hopefully in a decade I’d like to be able to tick all the boxes……
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[Phoenix]

Most of the countries worth moving to have strict entry requirements when it comes to skills and experience, and money to support yourself for a reasonable length of time on entering the country. I will be leaving the UK as soon as the opportunity presents itself, which i'm working my way upto hopefully, and that excludes remaining in Europe, it's all a big intertwined mess now anyway.

Question is why stay in the UK if emmigrating is even on your mind? Only reason I can see to stay is if you have family ties. Out of the developed countries ours seems to be going down the shitter a hell of a lot quicker than the rest, that and it's turned into a dictatorship.

[Kickstart]

Hi

There are loads of factors.

While the UK has loads of pointless laws, and getting worse, other countries are in the same situation. In Australia for example you will get prosecuted for J walking (and for those who want a load of bikes, while insurance is cheap the cost of road tax is hideous).

Most people probably cannot get a permit to move there. Those that can will face high costs. Sure many countries might have an equivalent to the NHS but they will likely not cover pre existing conditions for immigrants.

Then pensions issues. For example your UK pension contributions will be largely worthless. If you have paid in a large amount to the state pension then basically you will get little back. While those who stay in the UK get an index linked state pension, those who move abroad get it at a basic non increasing rate.

Then there are the issues of coming back to visit family and friends. Will get very expensive from the other side of the world.

Must say that the idea of getting sick of the UK due to the number of immigrants so instead becoming one yourself in another country is amusing.

All the best

Keith
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[D O G]

Well I am one of those people who are leaving. We are due to emigrate to Brisbane by the end of Nov (although I predict it will be more like mid Deecember).

Reasons for going are (in no particluar order)
- Space - the UK, particularly the South & South East is horrendously overcrowded.
- Climate
- Lifestyle - particularly the focus on outdoor activities and sport for kids, I have an 8 month old daughter, I want her to lead an active, healthy life. I also love cycling, and my partner Yoga and keep fit, there is much more on offer over there.
- Housing - get more for your money (leads back to the space thing)
- Food - the quality of the produce available when we visited is far in ecess of the crap we get in UK supermarkets
- Roads - the roads around Brisbane in the mountains to the West are exceptional, well surfaced, with very light traffic and few junctions (take a look on Google Maps!)
- General society attidute appears less cynical, more upbeat, and less focussed on acquiring swathes of wealth than the UK.

Luckily for me I am transferring within my firms international network (I am a Chartered Accountant), and as such they sponsor the Visa, pay for it, our flights, money to ship possessions and give an element of free accomodation at the other end. I also get a nice tax break when I get there.

If I had to go through the points hurdles it would probably cost around £7k all in to get there, which I just don't have and would not be able to get for some years!

If you are serious about leaving my recommendation is work hard here to get a recognised professional qualification, then you are made. You will be able to fairly easily get a sponsored visa that way, and there are plenty of international recruitment companies which will help you do this.

As for why people don't leave, well its a combination of feeling pretty satisfied in the UK, and the lack of balls to make such a big (and difficult to reverse) move into the relative unknown.

[Phoenix]

[Deckx]

If you are under 25 why don't you apply for a 12 month working holiday visa for Oz. ?
i did it when i was 21, spent a year in Sidney, was going to stay there but didn't bother at the end.
Leaving it until you are 30 is probably too late IMO, you need to go when you have no ties, gf, kids, mortgage etc..

[hellkat]

Only reason I'm still here is cos my daughter can't/won't move back to NZ with me (yet).

But I'm working on her, LOL.
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[m99dws]

Do it for a year, see if you like it. You have nothing to lose.
I'll hook you up with all the NZ info you need.

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[Dan 4RR]

Hi.

[Al]

I've done the working holiday visa thing in both Nz and Oz, to be honest I preferred Australia for its weather, space and cities.
Although I found the people in New Zealand were a lot more friendly.

I had a great time in both countries and my initial idea was that I'd do anything I could to move back to Oz as the UK sucked.
But then the more I started to think about it and get back into life in the UK, I started to realize that a lot of problems I had in the UK would be the same in Australia.
So basically I'd end up swapping living near all my family and friends in a country that I've had 27 happy years living in, for hot weather and a bit more space.

I'm not saying its not worth moving abroad, I just think that for a lot of people they want to do it for the wrong reasons.
You hear a lot of depressing shit on the news over here, then again they have the same depressing news reports over there.
When I was staying near Sydney there was a spate of gang shootings , house prices rose as did fuel prices, was pretty much the news.
When I was in Brisbane it was all about water shortages and level 1/2 water restrictions were in place(whatever they were)

So not really a lot different to the flooding,rising house prices and stabbings we hear about everyday on our news.

There is a post on Pistonheads that has posts from brits that have moved to Australia and there views on living in Oz.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=139&t=420527&i=0
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[izzi81]

I intend to emigrate to Canada with my bf, however before we can go I need to finish my work training (must more useful to be a qualified fingerprint examiner than just a trainee!) and I need to get my Masters degree which I start this month fingers crossed. Once those things are checked off the list then we're aiming for Canada! Fed up with this country
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[m99dws]

It's not for everyone and the grass isn't always greener on the other side, although it was in my case. I'd recommend using any working holiday visas first, spend some time where you think about moving to and test the water first.

Moving directly abroad can be too much of a culture shock for some and isn't the experience they expect. Do your research first, and do it well.

[JonB]

With the ever increasing amount of emigrants, those popular countries e.g. Australia, New Zealand and Canada will end up with the same situation as we are.

Immigration is a problem (ish) in our country, but maybe if we stopped the local scrotes from reproducing that would be more acceptable to me.

I'm staying put for the foreseeable. Opportunities may arise in 5 years or so, if Shell gets her Physiotherapy degree (Canada is absolutely desperate for Physio's, paying 3 times they are here) and hopefully i'll get my qualification as a teacher which as a profession could possibly help me go with her (or bring forward our impending marriage ).

However, if we did decide to go to Canada, it wouldn't be for the long term, we have been thinking of about 5 years, so then Shell can come back to England and have a foot in the door in the UK health system as most Physio posts in the UK require at least 5 years experience. As a Qualified Teacher, I hopefully wouldn't find it too difficult to get a job here either.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

From memory Aus have more asylum seekers in the system than the UK, and a massive number of immigrants.

All the best

Keith
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[Groove]

My 5 year goal is to move to New Zealand. Whangarie to be precise.

Main reason is that a dominoes pizza is the equilevant of £3.33.

Ok, maybe not the main reason

Cost of living is cheaper (although not a great deal)
Its easier to live a better life, better climate to do any outdoor activities all year round.
More house for your money (Specially if you take out lots of £)
They dont have a word for Chav
I heard the whole country (a lot bigger than the uk) has the same population as London?
Empty roads
Dont have to have car/bike insurance which will be great for me when i get my license back (Court date is Thursday)
My accent is sexy out there...aparently!

But before i go, id like to visit a few more european citys and save up £10-12k. Ive got family out there so it shouldnt be too hard to get out there, just depends what job i get i spose.
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[ram_doom]

Done America. When you end up living day to day life as normal, and you've done all the novelty things, you end up just as bored (if not more so) as you were at home, and forever remain isolated in your "foreignness"

When I move, it'll be to North West Scotland, even if there are fek all jobs
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[Phoenix]

The problem is our policy on immigrants, we let in anyone and everyone, even if your surname is Bin Laden, you'll be welcome.

You can come here with no skills, absolutely nothing to offer whatsoever, murder a respectable member of public (say a nurse), and then be given a minimal sentance and allowed to remain in the country because deporting you would infringe your human rights...

Take Canada for example. If you have no skills they want or don't have a direct relative in the country (Direct relative, not distant like it is in this country), then you're not getting in plain and simple. If you have a criminal record, then its very very unlikely you'll get in either without a pardon. If you don't have the money to support yourself for a reasonable period when you enter the country, you're not getting in. If you are ill at the time of immigrating, you won't be allowed in (or will have medical help denied for said conditions). You won't be entitled to benefits of any kind until you've been resident for several years I believe, not sure on exact laws there. That is why these countries don't have massive immigration problems like the UK.

The USA's problem is Mexico, but that's illegal immigration not supported by the government, it's a big place to hide. Here they actively let the equivalent in.

[Kickstart]

Hi

Legally the UKs position is pretty much the same as Canada. Cannot come in without skills. Only difference is that we allow immigrants in from other European countries (just as we can emmigrate to those countries).

Sure there are those seeking asylum who we let in. We are legally obliged to let them in (just as Canada, Aus, USA, etc, are obliged to let them in), and actually don't let a massive amount in compared to Aus (for example) despite what the papers would lead you to believe.

All the best

Keith
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