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WildGoose
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 02 Jun 2002    Post subject: Why is the RVF400 more thsn the VFR400 Reply with quote

all the second hand RVF's ive seen, range from 2800-4500 why are they so much more expensive than the VFR which can be got for 500 - 3500

how do the bikes differ, which is better?

and what about the CBR400 anything to say about that?
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Robby
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 02 Jun 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

according to my local mechanic, the cbr400 is the best of the lot - more power and a slightly more comforatable riding position, lots of different models as well and the latest one is the best, can't remember the name.
i think the RVF is newer than the VFRs, and therefore rarer, and also the VFR comes in 3 different models spanning about 10 years, so there are some old cheap ones.
hope this helps.
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Viper
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 02 Jun 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cbr is definately the most comfy of the lot,
... but i think it is actually the least powerful, compared to the VFR, and RVF.
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G
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 02 Jun 2002    Post subject: Re: Why is the RVF400 more thsn the VFR400 Reply with quote

There are quite a few model VFRs...
NC21 single headlight, conventional swingarm, single light, skinny tyres
NC24 single sided swing arm, single light
NC30 single sided swing arm, twin round lights, 17in rear
NC35 (RVF) single sided swing arm, twin 'fox eye' lights, 16in rear

IMO the NC30 looks the best but the NC35 should handle better
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TiN
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 03 Jun 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

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NC30 single sided swing arm, twin round lights, 17in rear
NC35 (RVF) single sided swing arm, twin 'fox eye' lights, 16in rear


Sorry to pick on your post again G, but shouldn't that be:

NC30 single sided swing arm, twin round lights, 18in rear
NC35 (RVF) single sided swing arm, twin 'fox eye' lights, 17in rear

???

The CBR is a "baby blade" and so it's natural pedigree is that of a road-based sports bike, and so should be more comfy...the specs of the 3 models vary in most literature, but they are quite similar...

I personally hate the recessed lights in both the VFR and CBR models, which is why I went with the RVF!...the BoxHillM'cycles prices for RVFs are crazy!...I hope that they expect some haggling, 'cos they are quite extortionate...

Tin
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Scooby
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PostPosted: 14:17 - 03 Jun 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think I am ever going to buy a bike from a dealer unless it is brand new. I mean whats the point???

Most of them are cowboys, and think they can get away with saying the bikes just been serviced and MOT'd because they have the papers there and just have to spend a couple of minutes signing them. Nobody actually KNOWS that your bike has had the services the dealer says it has, they coulda just filled in the service book if they wanted to, and slapped an extra £500 on the price cos it aparently has a 'FULL' service history. Private deals are a much better choice because you can get the same bike cheaper and you get to meet the previous owner, which should give you some idea of the bikes life, for example I bought my moped off a guy who didn't have a fcuking clue, I took it for a test ride and told him the throttle was sticking and he was like 'Duhhhhhhhhhhhh, whats a throttle', so I knew I would need the bike servicing straight away. However I went with my mate to buy his RS50 and the guys dad was an ex-motorcycle city mechanic but had retired, and had done home servicing and showed up what he had done with the fairings off.

Bollocks to dealers, they're just money robbing bastards......go private. I mean I went to my local Honda dealer to look for an NSR when I first wanted one and they didn't have any in stock but the showroom was full of new Triumph's, Kwak's etc, I mean they're a fcuking Honda main dealer ffs.

Sorry........moan over. Laughing
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G
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PostPosted: 16:06 - 03 Jun 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

tin wrote:
NC30 single sided swing arm, twin round lights, 18in rear
NC35 (RVF) single sided swing arm, twin 'fox eye' lights, 17in rear

Yeah, good point... I blame it on all the bump starting I had to do yesterday Sad.

Scooby:
I'd agree with you and I would allways go for private sales, though I haven't in the past.
However going through a dealer does offer you some legal recourse if the bike is completley knackered the bike has to be provided "fit for the porpose sold" so the garage has to sort it out if it falls apart a week after you get it. With a private sale there's nothing you can do about it.
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TiN
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 03 Jun 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

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dealer does offer you some legal recourse if the bike is completley knackered the bike has to be provided "fit for the porpose sold"


technically, a private sale is also subjected to the "trade descriptions act", so a private seller can also be held liable if they don't tell you the truth about the "quality" of the bike...HOWEVER, it's probably a heck of a lot harder to get anything from them without a lot of work (or physical threats!)...

...with a dealer, even if they're a bunch of cowboys, you are often a lot safer (?), 'cos they're a bigger target for throwing the book at...

I decided to buy through a dealer because:

1.) The bike comes with full 12 month tax and warranty
2.) A full service before delivery (ok, that probably sounds better than it really is!)
3.) Part exchange my NSR
4.) Free delivery/collection, any time, even for services

I did look at some private sales, which seemed ok at first, but for some major points:

1.) There was no way of collecting the bike without renting a van (and/or paying for petrol)
2.) I couldn't arsed to sell my NSR privately
3.) The mileage/condition was not "right" for me...

That's my personal view anyway...

Tin
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G
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 03 Jun 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

tin wrote:

technically, a private sale is also subjected to the "trade descriptions act", so a private seller can also be held liable if they don't tell you the truth about the "quality" of the bike

It'd be pretty hard to prove someome lied about a bike.. the only proof you'd have was the original advert and terms like 'mint' or 'showroom condition' aren't exactly unambiguous. Also the seller could claim that they didn't know about any problems it may have.
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Scooby
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 03 Jun 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok I suppose I was a bit OTT. But having said that, i'd rather try to aviod giving dealers money at all cos I have had bad experiences in the past. I ordered a tyre from Pidcock Honda in Nottingham, paid for it, took 5 weeks yes 5 weeks for delivery to the shop then I had to fetch it. When I ordered some parts for my NSR I went in said can I order this this and this and they said fine made me out a reciept, then said that'll be £93.56 (or whatever) and I basically told them to bollocks if I was paying there and then, and that I would give them the cash when the parts were in. Surprise surprise 4 days later I get a phone call.........

And about the trade descriptions act about dealers must sell bikes in a certain order, basically mate, I can't be doing with the hassle, and if a provate seller sells you something dodgy you just send the boys round to give 'em a kickin and get your money back.

Sorted.
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TiN
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PostPosted: 16:56 - 03 Jun 2002    Post subject: Reply with quote

G:

Exactly...

Scooby:

I fully understand your frustrations with dealers mate!...but not all of them are bad...well, not all of the time anyway...

Tin
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WildGoose
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 03 Jun 2002    Post subject: yeah Reply with quote

ive been waiting 4 weeks so far for a new visor for my bieffe shit piece

currently if its bearable i wear it with the visor up, cos its so fucked up and scratched to shit

the dude at colincollins was perfectly happy to take my 26 quid off me the moment i asked for a new visor, then he said it would be next day, then suddenly 3 days, then a week, then 2 weeks, then this country has none, so 4-6 weeks fro italy

i mean FFS
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