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fazza59
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 30 Oct 2007    Post subject: Best way to polish!? Reply with quote

As you can see for the attached photo the heel plates on my son's bike are looking a bit tatty.

Would love to give them a mirror shine and maybe seal them with a clear lacquer.

What I want to know is, the best way to remove the top surface, tools to use etc or is it just a matter of alloy polish and lots of hard work?

Thanks in advance
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 30 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

i used wet and dry sand paper, takes ages but if you put the time and effort in it come to a mirror shine.
remove all scratches and pits and corrosion with 120 grit, snad for about 1-2 hours, then move up the grit line going finer and finer till 1200grit and then use autosol metal polish and a polish cloth to bring to a shine, thats the quickest way and a kit from halford will be £5 but theres a polish kit on ebay i've seen for £25 or more that you put on a drill, i think you need to buy a special adapter seperate though.
heres my example.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 30 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive got a scourer attacment for my angle grinder that i picked up from halfords for about £5 it makes short work of the paint, but leaves a patern on he aluminum so it just needs a light sand or a buff from that point Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 30 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lambs wool buffer on a drill with autosol give a nice finish after u have got through the hard stuff Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:19 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Snap - Got the same cam - Tis nice Thumbs Up


I got a drill kit here. Ive not really put it to the test but go to

Google - Polishing shop - theres a Basic 3 wax polish thingy with mops and drill part. for £10 + £2 postage. Really good deal, and will do the hangers no prob.

https://www.thepolishingshop.co.uk/


Here - https://www.thepolishingshop.co.uk/acatalog/Standard_Polishing_Kits.html
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PostPosted: 16:26 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

tis a good cam, i want a SLR personally.
the polish kits are great, i did it the hard way with the sandpaper but the end result is well worth it Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:46 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

but now youve got one really shiney bit with a matt frame?! Razz
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louise wrote:
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I got a drill kit here. Ive not really put it to the test but go to

Google - Polishing shop - theres a Basic 3 wax polish thingy with mops and drill part. for £10 + £2 postage. Really good deal, and will do the hangers no prob.

https://www.thepolishingshop.co.uk/


Here - https://www.thepolishingshop.co.uk/acatalog/Standard_Polishing_Kits.html


Thanks for that, just placed an order with them. Funny thing is when the invoice came up I realised I was a mere 100 yards away from them today and could have picked one up. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

recon mine'll come up as well? think mines more corroded than scuffed :S

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PostPosted: 20:50 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're better off using a drill or bench grinder with some good mops and polishing compounds.

Autosol is quite abrasive and doesn't give a very good finish ... an example of some bits I made, with the edges polished ... not fuzzy like the Autosol example above (not slagging it off just pointing out the difference).

The bits above are part of the risers I designed for my baby, and the top/bottom were only given a rough polish since they would be hidden.

All the best ... Barry

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PostPosted: 21:09 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

My guess would be that they are painted, so use paint stripper first to get down to the metal (you don't want to add scratches by sanding it off...). You'll then find that the metal that has been exposed by wear is ever so slightly pitted and a different texture to the rest of it, so you will need to use finer and finer abrasives until it is uniform. Use abrasive wheels on a drill otherwise you'll be there all day. Once you can see your face in it, use a polishing mop / compound on a drill. Mucho shininess.

Or just paint it in Ford Stratos Silver.

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PostPosted: 21:15 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

BanditsHigh wrote:
You're better off using a drill or bench grinder with some good mops and polishing compounds.

Autosol is quite abrasive and doesn't give a very good finish ... an example of some bits I made, with the edges polished ... not fuzzy like the Autosol example above (not slagging it off just pointing out the difference).

The bits above are part of the risers I designed for my baby, and the top/bottom were only given a rough polish since they would be hidden.

All the best ... Barry

https://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b9/BanditsHigh/100_0228.jpg

ye but look at the corrosion on mine too and the lack of time i spent on it, also i used a kitchen cloth not a polishing cloth. you've got marks on yours too where corrosion has started.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ye but look at the corrosion on mine too and the lack of time i spent on it, also i used a kitchen cloth not a polishing cloth. you've got marks on yours too where corrosion has started.


If you'd taken the time to read my post I said I wasn't slagging you off, I was merely illustrating how abrasive Autosol is and absolutely no comment was made on the amount of time spent polishing!!

The corrosion you refer to is non existent, the marks on the triangular surface are from the vice I used to hold the ally as I was working on it ... they are hidden away so I didn't bother wasting time on getting a good finish on them!!

All the best ... Barry
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ye but look at the corrosion on mine too and the lack of time i spent on it, also i used a kitchen cloth not a polishing cloth. you've got marks on yours too where corrosion has started.


If you'd taken the time to read my post I said I wasn't slagging you off, I was merely illustrating how abrasive Autosol is and absolutely no comment was made on the amount of time spent polishing!!

The corrosion you refer to is non existent, the marks on the triangular surface are from the vice I used to hold the ally as I was working on it ... they are hidden away so I didn't bother wasting time on getting a good finish on them!!

All the best ... Barry

i wasnt having a go, i just was saying that using autosol to finnish off my 5 hours of sanding i can acheive a finnish like urs given the right tools ie, a polishing rag rather that a kitchen cloth which is hard and more abrasive than autosol.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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i wasnt having a go, i just was saying that using autosol to finnish off my 5 hours of sanding i can acheive a finnish like urs given the right tools ie, a polishing rag rather that a kitchen cloth which is hard and more abrasive than autosol.


What I'm trying to say is that Autosol would scratch the finish I have, it's too abrasive.

If you don't believe me then go ask a professional polisher. Even better get them to polish something for you and then use Autosol on it ... you'll see what I mean!

All the best ... Barry
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PostPosted: 21:37 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

um, ok then....
if thats how you feel about it, i'll go ask someone lol.

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Polishing for beginners by Shayne Parker (Ozkat).
These instructions apply to all alloy parts on your bike and apply to bare alloy parts.

You will need wet&dry paper. I usually start with 1000 grit, then 1200 grit then 1500 grit, (put a couple of drops of dishwashing liquid in the water) by then you should have a nice satin finish on the alloy.

Then i use 30 micron and 15 micron paper, either Norton or 3M are the most common brands. Any good automotive paint supplier will have it. I use orbital sanding discs in the micron paper. Use the micron discs as the same as wet&dry paper in water.

Start with with the 30 micron and when you cant see any scratches then use the 15 micron paper. By now you should be covered in black shit, if your not your not doing it properly.

When you have finished with the 15 micron paper then you can start polishing. You can do it by hand or use a polishing mop either mounted on a bench grinder for larger parts or a mop in a drill for more intricate parts.

Once you get to the polishing stage i simply use Autosol with the mops, its cheap and available from most auto stores.

If you follow these instructions and spend the time on a piece you will end up with a very professional finish, if you try to cut corners it will look like crap.

A really good finish on a clutch cover will probably take around 3 - 4 hrs. I've done 1 GSXR1100 frame (never again) wheels, engine covers, swingarms, triple clamps etc. Its very cheap to do and if you follow all the stages you WILL end up with a first class finish.

Additional added by Matt Fox:

- I use this technique so I know it works.

Step 1:- Go to coles and get yourself some East Off oven cleaner

Step 2:- Mask off any parts that you don't want to polish, and spray frame, Leave until the alloy turns black. (This is a quick way to remove the anodising)

Step 3:- Wipe off with soapy water, make sure you get it all off. When you see the result you will probably shit yourself it does go a little patchy in places but dont stress, you've just saved yourself about three hours of sanding.

Step 4:- Start with 400 DRY paper, especially on older frames where there will be a lot of pitting and deep scratches (if you start with 1200 wet you can add about 10 hours to the job). Lightly sand over with a palm sander/orbital (when I say lightly I mean let the paper do the work, don't force the sander) Make sure you get all deep scratches out if you don't this procces will have to be repeated over and over again until you do.

Step 5:- as per OZKAT's post (above).

Step 6:- To get a true mirror finish, finish of with a polishing wheel and (I use) josco white wax compound. And a bit of autosol which is a whole other post on how to polish VERY quickly using autosol!!! I will put up picks when I get around to doing my 750 frame.

Sounds like a lot but it isn't really. If the frame has no imperfections/machine marks in it you can actually go straight from Step 3 to 6 (I did this before I started sanding and it came up trumps but for the machine lines.
https://www.streetfighters.com.au/images/howto/polish/polish_bike.jpg

thats how i learned. and i havent done it for ages and to the best point like these guys but if you walk round my bike you can see what i did first an last, good ino tho bandit Thumbs Up Karma
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PostPosted: 21:55 - 31 Oct 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is doing it the easy way and doing it the hard way, ive seen banditshigh shiny bits on his bike, and the finish is mirror,
as he has said autosol is an abrasive just like jif or lots of house hold cleaners, you'll get it to a shine, but its a dull shine Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 01 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use both and agree if a part has been done with my bench polishing mop setup then yes it is a better finish than if just done by hand with autosol. I think its not just how abrasive the compound but also the surface speed of application.

.but to be honest they both look pretty bling to me!! Wink Wink
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 01 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

BanditsHigh wrote:
You're better off using a drill or bench grinder with some good mops and polishing compounds.


So what polishing compounds do you use?
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 01 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

From work experience,i learnt,not to polish in 'circles',try and do it in straight lines with even pressure of the hand on the cloth,or whatever your using to polish. No idea if this is any use,but as were on the topic of polishing it made me think. This may not apply to all surfaces though. Sometimes polishing can be relaxing. But not the housewife polishing Mcgee does. Mr. Green Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 02 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the polishing kit arrived today. Spent about 3 hours doing both heel plates and all I can say is my lad is made up. Thumbs Up

Will post a photo (only just finished so its dark)to show the results.

Thanks for all you help.
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