Cagive expecting sales slump.

[craigT19]

as you all no mito's are very popular because of there resembalance to the ducati 99-, because in recent years nothing on the bsb could touch them.
but this year for british superbike only bikes with in-line 4 engines (suzuki, yamaha, kawasaki.....)will be allowed to use 1000cc instead of 700cc.
this is on the eurosport site saying how ducati say it is unfair because there the only ones with 1000cc engines due to them putting out less power than the in-line 4.
i think ducati won alot due to the twins stability in corners and there fast acceleration out of bends plus 1000cc always gunna be better than 700cc carl fogarty evan said "ducati are going to either change there lumps or be slaughtered on the track".
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[Korn]

They're changing them to V4's but with a 2-2 firing order so it should still sound like a twin.

[Kickstart]

Hi

To be honest it is a bit unfair on the twins. Remember that power is basically torque x rpm, so to get more power you either produce more torque or you rev higher. Revs are pretty much limited by piston speed, so the longer stroke engine you use the the lower the revs where you hit max piston speed. You can make up the capacity from running a shorter stroke by using a larger bore, but you rapidly land up with such a wide bore that you have a very poor combustion chamber shape. The other way of making up the capacity is having more cylinders.

A twin should have an advantage on weight.

If Ducati want to continue to race a twin without any capacity advantage then just about the only thing they can do is to start to develope an oval piston engine. Honda made the NR750 (NR was rumoured to stand for Never Ready as they spent so long developing it) which used 4 oval shaped pistons, 8 spark plugs and 32 valves. Essentially it was a V8, with each pair of cylinders merged together.

Ducati are talking about using a V4 for GP racing, and they have developed V4 engines decades ago (before they got famours for V twin engines).

Cagiva havent owned Ducati for years, and there are rumours that the Mito will soon be restyled to look like an MV F4

All the best

Keith

[G]

I haven't seen anything about this recently, but I think BSB was allowing only ligfhtly modified 1000cc bikes against unlimited modifcations on 750cc 4s & 1000cc twins.
The idea being to let more privateers compete competively (I think they were quite short on teams last year) and so people can watch it and think 'That could be me'.

[Phil.]

[Kickstart]

Hi

I doubt Cagiva paid Ducati any royalties on the looks. After all I think they were styled by the same person (and personally I think they did a far better job on the Mito than on the 916).

After all, should Ducati pay royalties to Cagiva for the idea of using underseat exhausts (used in around 1986 on the Cagiva Freccia C9)

All the best

Keith

[Peje]

How does the V8 work with only 4 pistons??

Just for my own interest does ne one know how the crank shaft is shaped on a v-twin? Are the pistons slightly off-set from each other?? I cant understand how the cylinders can be directly opposite yet one piston be up and the other down!?!?

[TJ NSR]

I have a Cagiva Freccia in spain its a 125cc, its a 1990, it dont have any underseat exhaust, i got an arrows.


Cagiva mito was designed by the same person as duke 916 and at the time they we joint owned...

Keith i read somewhere u got a Cagiva Freccia, is it true?

[Kickstart]

Hi

The NR used oval pistons. Imagine 2 cylinders merged together, so the piston is spam can shaped and has 2 con rods.

Yes we have a Freccia, in fact 2 plus the remains of another pair for spares (one of which there are few bits left, the other is still mainly bolted together). The 1990 bike is probably a C12R. It was the original C9 that used a pair of exhausts under the seat, with just the tips of the silencers emerging through a hole on either side of the tail light. I saw one only a few days ago, but someone had bodged a C10/C12 exhaust onto it instead (and I mean bodged!). Cagiva also sold some late C12s with the early wheels and front mudguard and a 6 speed gearbox. These came out after the Mito was on sale, and were cheap. We went to the 1991 French motorcycle show in Paris, and Cagiva had these Freccias for less than the cost of a Yamaha TZR125

For some Freccia stuff have a look at

https://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/Cagiva/c12.htm

The C12 in the road test is our actual bike. We bought it about a year later 2nd hand. This bike has just had the frame powder coated and I am slowly putting it back together.

All the best

Keith

[TJ NSR]

i have a red one with mirrors in the fairing and the indicators to. i think its 6 speed, i put an arrors can on it then i took all the bafaling out the can its sounds mad, i wish i could have it here.

do u no how much it is to bring it to the uk?


tj

thanks

[Kickstart]

Hi

Sounds like you have a C10 or one of the late C12s.

Cost to import it to the UK is nominal. You need to get it MOT'ed and then registered. To register it you need your MOT certificate, proof of vehicle age (your original documents should cover this, but you might have to get an official translation, but if not there are UK companies who can supply an acceptable age certificate), and take that lot to your local licencing office. They will charge you for the road tax and a £25 first registration fee. They might well want to examine the bike as well (just to check the frame number is as it should be).

The only problems you might have with an MOT are the headlight and kph clocks. Technically the kph clocks should fail, but nobody has ever bothered with that for me. The C12 headlight does not dip in a particular direction so you dont have to worry about dipping to the left or right.

Only other problem is getting spares. The Freccia was never officially imported to the UK. The old Ducati importers brought a few in to order, mainly a batch in Preston area. Engine spares just get early Mito ones, chassis stuff speak to North Leicester Motorcycles (Moto Morini specialists, and the Morini Dart uses the C9 chassis).

There are no taxes to be paid, other than the £25 first registration fee and the road tax. Your original VAT covers it as long as the vehicle is over 6 months / 5000km old (if below that you have to pay UK vat and claim back the original VAT).

All the best

Keith

[TJ NSR]

ONE PROBLEM DONT HAVE ANY PAPERWORK FOR IT!

in spain nobody gives a shit, its never had an mot, no numberplates....

mayb i can buy 1 in the uk


1 other thing is it true when ppl say there were only 500 made??
i paid £900 in spain a few yrs ago, how much could i get 1 for in the uk?

wats the top speed you got out of it?

[Kickstart]

Hi

The Freccia in the photos was bought for spares with no documentation (2nd hand Italian imports are generally deregistered as otherwise the old owner has to keep paying tax on them) . I got a certificate of age and the licencing people were happy with that. Had to take it in for them to check over.

Dont know how many were made, but I suspect loads more than 500.

The chassis numbers of the C12Rs we have are 5PE002814, 5PE009418 (ones for the road), 5PE008628 and 5PE011661 (for spares), so it looks like they made at least 12000 odd of those. It wouldnt surprise me if a similar number of the C9 were made.

There was a model called the Anniversary (no idea what of), which could have been a limited edition. This basically used the later bodywork with the early 6 speed engine but fitted with the later electronically operated power valve (early ones were mechanical). Also had the early narrower wheels.

As to price, not really sure. Saw one for sale for about £1500 recently, but doubt it sold (and it wasnt even in very nice condition). I am expecting to advertise one of ours for £1200 and get about £1000 for it, and that is in fair condition (resprayed in original colours, will have a new set of rings and the oil leak fixed).

If you buy a late one check carefully that the power valve works. The control units die and cost £100 to replace, but are only warrentied if you replace the servo motor at the same time (another £100).

All the best

Keith

[TJ NSR]

can i add the cagiva to my honda nsr insurance????


with out it costing too much?

ps wats the size of the rear wheel?

[Kickstart]

Hi

Some companies will allow you to add a 2nd bike, others wont. Have to check with them I am afraid. Most seem to have a limit of 3 bikes on one policy.

Wheel sizes are given as:-

2.5"x16" front, with a 100/80 S16 tyre
3.00"x17" rear with a 110/80 S17 on the C10 or a 130/70 S17 on the Anniversery / C12

All the best

Keith

(yes, I have a Freccia workshop manual)