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fazza59
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Time to replace helmet Reply with quote

Can someone back me up??

My lad has dropped his helmet and says its fine Rolling Eyes

As you can see from the pics it doesn't look it, the outer skin is cracked and it has crumpled. It was dropped for about waist hight but I think it looks like it has been used as a football.

Should it be replaced?

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PostPosted: 17:50 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to see clearly in the photo, but that thing looks pretty scuffed up, granted I've seen people carrying and wearing a lot worse tbh. Was following a kid on a scoot in trackies the other week with a full face lid covered in scratches that didn't even have a visor on it Confused
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

that thing is fucked, replace, DO NOT USE.


just ask him how much he likes his head, as that will not save him in a bad fall.


if it falls of the sofa, onto the carpet, most people will replace.
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PostPosted: 18:00 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

steveh wrote:


if it falls of the sofa, onto the carpet, most people will replace.


If they did, they should be classed as nutjobs!

But that helmet seems to have a big crease in the shell below the fin, so its defo time for a replacement.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends I'd say.

If that aerodynamic widget is all part of the shell, then its probably in need of replacement. If its a glue on bit of plastic (as it is on some AGVs and the like) then it probably isn't an issue as it is designed to detach in a collision anyway.

From the photo it looks like the whole shell is shaped, so the shell itself might be damaged.

That said, RiDE magazine did an article a couple of years back on helmet drops, and they said that if there was no head inside the lid when it impacted then it is likely to be undamaged.

They also said that they couldn't endorse the use of dropped lids as the manufacturers reccomend replacement. However, reading between the lines they were basically saying that if you drop the lid once then it would be silly to replace it.

That photo isn't great and I can't really tell the extent of the damage, but personally I wouldn't bother with a helmet that was moulded into that aerodynamic shape as you don't know what would happen if you land on the 'pointy' bit as it were. I'm sure the CE tests don't involve hard impacts onto all places on the shell surface, and so something like that could be overlooked in my opinion. That said, I usually go with Arai or Shoei as they fit my head, and Arai are the only manufacturer to put different densities of foam in different areas of the lid to protect different parts of the head. It really sounds like they know what they are talking about, and I've also had lids which look like a child has assembled them. This is obviously based on my own predjudices and paranoias however, and really who is to say which helmet is the best of a bunch as long as they all fit OK?

I suppose another factor might be if the padding has compressed through use it may not fit your son correctly any more... In which case I'd stick it on his bonce and try to shift it left to right and then do the 'roll off' test. This means he needs to push his chin to his chest with the strap undone and then you pull the lid downward to see if it rolls off the back of his head. If it does then its too big anyway and should be replaced.

Without X-raying the lid, I can't make any definate conclusions, but hopefully I can help you make an informed decision as to whether it does need replacing or not.
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not an integral part of the helmet, just a bit of plastic stuck on. If it bothers you that much then buy him a new one and I'll have the visor for mine.
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
Its not an integral part of the helmet, just a bit of plastic stuck on. If it bothers you that much then buy him a new one and I'll have the visor for mine.


Just had a look and I never knew it was not an integral part of the helmet, so looks like he is right. Embarassed

Ichy, you wouldn't want the visor, I can assure you!
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get him to get a new visor if his is badly scratched. With short days, headlights, and crap weather it can be hard to see what going on at times.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:


Without X-raying the lid, I can't make any definate conclusions, but hopefully I can help you make an informed decision as to whether it does need replacing or not.


All an X Ray does is show a black mass, nothing more and it is impossible to tell if the inner lining has been compromised.

I was at a certain well known manufacturer of helmets in Japan last week and they have looked at all sorts of ways to tell whether a shell has been compromised, and the bottom line is that the only way to tell 100% for sure is to strip it down to the inner shell and carry out a visual inspection.

But this can only be done by the manufacturer themselves in order for it to continue its compliance with either BSI or EC22/05 regs.

If the helmet was dropped from waist height onto a hard surface, then it should be replaced, and if needs be, claim off your house contents insurance if you don't want to fork out of your own pocket!
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PostPosted: 21:44 - 07 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another reason to replace it is . . . . well look at it! its Fugly!! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 10:53 - 08 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

T.C wrote:
MarJay wrote:


Without X-raying the lid, I can't make any definate conclusions, but hopefully I can help you make an informed decision as to whether it does need replacing or not.


All an X Ray does is show a black mass, nothing more and it is impossible to tell if the inner lining has been compromised.

I was at a certain well known manufacturer of helmets in Japan last week and they have looked at all sorts of ways to tell whether a shell has been compromised, and the bottom line is that the only way to tell 100% for sure is to strip it down to the inner shell and carry out a visual inspection.

But this can only be done by the manufacturer themselves in order for it to continue its compliance with either BSI or EC22/05 regs.

If the helmet was dropped from waist height onto a hard surface, then it should be replaced, and if needs be, claim off your house contents insurance if you don't want to fork out of your own pocket!



Yip, Yip, Yip, hex a rays only show cracks, they cannot expose stress weakening etc.

It is far easier to bin it, buy a new one and be happy than to think (everytime you slip your barnet inside that thing) is this gonna save me when I need it.

Well? do ya feel lucky... punk? do ya...

Seriously though replace it.

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PostPosted: 13:47 - 08 Nov 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
If its a glue on bit of plastic (as it is on some AGVs and the like) then it probably isn't an issue


Yes - for AGV Airtech (like mine)

No - for AGV Titech and GP Pro

But I do agree on your overall point.
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