Moral Dilemma...

[JonB]

My China Lecturer put this to us the other day...

What do you do?

Do you continue to wear the cheap clothes made in China by a poor man on one bowl of rice a day?

Or do you not buy it out of protest at the conditions and the poor man not get a bowl of rice at all?
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[Yoko]

I'd say option A

If everyone went for option B his factory may close down and he would be jobless and unable to afford even a bowl of rice.

Option A may not be fair by our standards but its a damn sight better than being jobless in his neck of the woods.
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[TheShaggyDA]

I wear the cheap clothes. Nothing I do will make the slightest bit of difference in China, or any other country.
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[Ben.]

meh my theory is natrual evolution, carry on buying it, our country has been through worse times than China's and we had no one to bail us out. meh
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[JonB]

[TheShaggyDA]

Aye, do enlighten us...
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[Ben.]

meh we went through two word wars, depression and millions of people had to work in factories similar to the ones about in China toady, only the people in China are safer, I didnt see anyone helping us out then. I'm all for giving a bit of help, cancelling debts and what not, but im not going to bend over backwards to help them, the simple fact is society needs poor people and countries, someones got to work in McDonalds.
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[cestrian]

Keep buying the cheap clothing and invest the money saved in a bio-diesel making machine.

[JonB]

LMAO, Half_Lyfe have you even done your GCSE's yet?
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[TheShaggyDA]

https://www.cnd.org/njmassacre/
https://chinese-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_1930s_depression_in_china
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China

Yeah, the Chinese have had it easy compared to us.
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[Ben.]

okay fine, i admit im wrong on that front, but its not as if we have had a walk in the park. I really do feel sorry for these people, but I still think that the sweat shops aren't all bad, someone's got to work there to make the stuff.
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[nick606]

[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

[TUG]

fuck em let em starve, its not our fault, plus they're breeding themselves out anyway by aborting females. there gunna nuke us soon anyway.
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[Al]

I'd like to blame the companies that shift all there manufacturing over to China to exploit the low paid workers, But its us that demand the lower and lower prices
If one company said they were going to move there factory back to the UK, pay all there workers a good wage, but the cost of the product would become 3 times as expensive, well they'd soon go bust as everybody would still be buying the cheap Chinese stuff.
I suppose one day the standard of living and rates of pay in China will be closer to ours, so it will no longer be beneficial for the companies to produce in China and they'll all move on to some other 3rd world country, not sure where that would leave China though.

I'd like to only buy British products but like said you'd be a fool to pay so much extra for the same thing.
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[Al]

[JonB]

Thanks for the PM Half lyfe.

You think we've had it hard? I'll give you a little insight into what sick people we had running our country 100-200 years ago.

Chinese philosophy had been for centuries that they were better than us. They didn't like Westerners, nor do they like them now. Originally they didn't have a faith system, they adopted whatever religion suited them at the time. Though the crux of it was that they were aiming towards harmony with other people, their neighbours, family or friends.

In the late 1890's the expedition from the Great Empire of Britain set out to trade with the Chinese at Shanghai, but the emporer at the time didn't want to know. In fact he made a high British general wait 28 days before letting him talk to him.

Let's just say the expedition wasn't successful. Still no trade with China, despite having so many Colonies nearby.

So what did the lovely British people do after this?

We showed the Chinese with great might off the coast of Shanhai our military power. We bombarded their coasts until they agreed to something and it wasn't trade...

...It was to accept Opium deliveries, forced upon them by the British authorities to ruin the Chinese civilian movement. To this day Shanghai is renouned for it's Opium drug dens, which originated from Britain! And the worst thing for the Chinese dynasty at the time? They had to PAY for the opium that they didn't want. Humiliation and it is exactly why they won't trust the West when we say that their pollution is causing global warming, they think it is another effort by the West to stunt their economic and industrial growth.

This is just a small example, but I can betcha all the money in the world that we have not had it bad.

Besides, in a World war, generally the whole "WORLD" was involved.
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[JonB]

As for paying extra, it's not something that particularly bothers me.

Take milk, i'd pay 10p more so long as it went to the farmers. Be it in this country or any country in the world.

We get it so good.
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[Ben.]

well i didn't know that Jon B, well you lot definitely changed my opinion.
I still maintain that the sweatshops aren't that bad, I remember one presentation at my school about fair trade that i went to, they had a representative from both someone in favour and against, and although i cant remember the whole thing, i do remember them telling us that the sweat shops give the people there a better life than if they weren't there. Granted its no where near as good as our life. That, and if sweat shops came over to europe, would you be happy to pay an extra 20 quid for the same stuff that exists now?
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[Jamie.]

This may make me look like a cunt, But who's with me when I say I honestly don't care.

[Kickstart]

Hi

Why would something (like a pair of jeans) cost £20 more to make in Europe? In a factory they will probably make several pairs an hour per person. Even at £20 an hour (so allowing a hell of an overhead over the wages) that is probably only adding £5 or so to the cost.

All the best

Keith
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