Ruled by the EU, good or bad?

[cestrian]

https://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=9087371308733687571

If you're not happy with Britain being ruled by the EU you may find this video interesting. It's quite an old video now but it contains some facts that will astound some of you.

Regards

[JonB]

Surely it's better than Labour running the country?
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[cestrian]

And who runs Labour? (or should that be an exclamation mark?)

[UrbanRacer]

i prefer this video myself

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[Itchy]

Bah whats the point its not as if you can do anything about it can you?.

Minor points:

#1 We pay in more than we get out alot more , oh my heart bleeds when some MP in Eastern Europe says we can't finish our motorways if we haven't got the money, excuse me but when WE want a motorway WE pay for it. Note how West Germany was virtually bankrupted by the reunification.

#2 the EU will suddenly not stop trading with us if we are out of the EU , where there is money there is trade, there was supposed to be a blockade on Rhodisia before they went independent, people still traded ,

Infact the UK government by proxy is sponsorting current Zimbawe

#3 EU accounts have what is it now been unsigned by auditors for the 9th year in a row! , a PLC does this it gets investigated and possibly its directors get struck off.
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[cestrian]

UrbanRacer, I have seen that before. It's a shame it was cobbled up by that bastion of truth, the BBC

Anyway, who mentioned the BNP?

[Kris]

The EU is a terrible idea, though if you're a fascist nutjob working on the principle that under 'one global government' you can get away with anything without fear of punishment, it becomes ideal

See, we're rapidly handing over all power and judgement to a shadowy group of suits who claim to know 'what's best' for us.

EU integration = Removal of sovereignty of all nations within (and also some not in) Europe.

Now add that to the newly announced (really been going 20+ years) North American union, Asian unions and we see a merging of borders.

When these unions begin merging then the game's over and we will have no chance. Not good...
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[ColdInsomnia]

It's the death of democracy.

Democracy was intended to be the tool for the average man to have his say in politics.

But nowadays, to be a 'politician' you generally have to be of a certain social class to get anywhere. Especially in places like America. You have to be stinking rich to be considered.

So of course, once all the power in the country is given to the upper class, they will seek to hold that power. We are very quickly slipping back into the old style system of a lord in his castle, surrounded by the serfs who do the dirty work.

Now, because most people are complacent about politics, the political class can get away with all sorts of shit, because the whole country is too bone-idle to bother kicking up a fuss.

Ultimately, anything that takes power away from us, the citizens, is un-democratic. The EU intends to give me a President, that I am going to have NO chance to vote for, and they intend for me to enter the EU without a referendum, regardless of the fact that we were promised one?

The decline into facism is astonishing. People just don't think more than 5 years into the future.

If there's one good thing to come out of all this, is that facism rarely lasts long. But then facism has never been attempted in a global scale before. The upper elites could have their whole ID tracking-scheme and borderless countries, complete with police forces who answer to THEM, not the citizens, before we know it.

And once it gets there, we will be powerless.
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[Itchy]

[Itchy]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7198580.stm

there you have it, even MPs say the EU treaty is actually no different from the constitution.
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Personally I have no problem with the basic idea of being run by the EU. Hardly like our current lot are doing a good job of it.

I do have serious reservations about democratic accountability.

Ultimatly I think we are over ruled. Most of the laws from the last decade serve no useful purpose. Let the EU come up with a very basic legal framework and a few standards and then scrap the rest.

All the best

Keith
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[LeeR]

Good
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[cestrian]

[Kickstart]

Hi

No need to wake up. Read what I wrote.

I have nothing against the basic idea of the EU. My problem is with the over ruling we suffer from (and it is the UK governments that generally choose to invoke the EU rules in the strictist and most oppressive way, while the rest of the Europe does it more usefully).

If you think that getting out of Europe will make use less prone to over bearing rules then I think you are deluded. All you will do is loose the extra level of legal appeal against being dumped on by the government.

Sure the EU is badly run at the moment and needs a major overhaul to be accountable. But using that to drum up patriotic hysteria in favour of keeping the UK out is just opportunism for those who want to us out whatever the choice.

All the best

Keith
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