Farmed Fish

[Visitor Q]

Right, well after years of raving about how misguided vegetarians are, especially the ones who dont mind a spot of tuna etc and debating my own moral stance ive decided to stop eating wild caught fish/shellfish.

It seems like a bizarre moral standpoint we dont mind teaching kids. Think of the crappy film madagascar...

Moral of the film is the lion goes wild, want to eat his friend the zebra and doesnt, because they decide to feed him fish.

They deliberately make sure the fish dont look cute. So whilst kids are brought up on things like bambi (a film im sure made ALOT of vegetarians) people dont mind the widespread raping of the sea.

Due to my course i know a hell of a lot about the collapse of just about every fishery we're exploiting. Its pretty much impossible to get Cod these days, because the fisheries collapsed. Dogfish are now pretty rare in british waters, not to mention the porbeagle shark USED to be called the Beaumaris shark as it was so common around anglesey.

Then you get long line fishing and trawler fishing which drowns stupid quantities of sharks, sea turtles etc every year.

It just seems a bit... crass to continue eating them with the knowledge and preaching ive done.

So money is going with my mouth now. Im refusing to buy fish or shellfish that im not certain were farmed.
Im not going to go to the zealous nature of vegetarians with this, and if someone happens to offer me a home cooked meal that happens to be prawns/fish without an easy alternative i'll eat it.
Since im not a great lover of fish asides from tinned tuna and salmon its not a great problem... except i LOVE prawns.

Now, can anyone tell me why the buggers cant say on every fish product whether its farmed or wild caught. People arent stupid, they know fish are often wild caught and it doesnt seem to bother them.
So why now do i find it so bloody hard to make an informed decision on a product. If we're entitled to know that a pack of peanuts may contain nuts, im sure they can tell us whether or not they grew said animal in a nice netted enclosure just off the coast... or they just chucked out a giant net sock and powered on full speed for a day or so.

Anyone else?
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[Itchy]

has a really really hot girl agreed to get in the sack with you , but has demanded some changes?.
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[Visitor Q]

Lol really hot girls that demand changes would want me to stop eating the fluffy animals with the cute babies (lambs, piglets, chicks... awwww). Not slimy fish... eurgh

The day a bit of shit cunt gets me to change myself for sex is the day i jam forks in my eyes.

So no, its not that.

You can have a problem with leaded petrol regardless of whether it does infact stop engine knocking.

I dont even have a problem was eating fish, hence farmed fish. Or if there was less bycatch and more specific catching methods. But there arent. And in the rare occasions they are they seriously exploit them.

All these people who dont eat meat because of cruel farming practice are retarded, they should just spend more and go to local farmers with a smaller amount of animals. Simple.
Im using that logic.
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[Itchy]

Just to throw a spanner in the works,

Farmed fish are often fed fish meal , which comes from sea caught fish, the crud they can't sell on proper they grind it up dry it into pellets and put them into the farmed fish nets.

I remember it well on TV, when a supermarket spokesman said we only use farmed fish, which is sustainable and environmentally friendly to fish stocks.

The reporter stated the above fact the spokesman was shocked (he hadn't researched his topic properly) and stood for about 2 minutes unable to think of a response, he then put his hand over the camera and said this interview is over.
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[Visitor Q]

[Itchy]

Well no ,you have to feed them certain things.

EG

Fish contain omega 3 because they eat something else that has omega 3 in it,

Same with sea salmon and the salmon you stick with a knife as it jumps up a weir , its pink cus it eats things that are pink like krill and mini shrimp.

Pretty much like liposoluible toxins it gets into us cus we eat DDT sprayed stuff, a good reason to stay fat ....
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[Visitor Q]

There are plenty of ways around these things. But you are right salmon get their colour from krill, and DDT lurks in lipids and accumulates as you go up the trophic level (hence only the higher predators die).

As a point, do you think the pink colour salmon gain from krill would also affect taste that much?? Id wager you could feed them anything you like and they'd still be tasty. They'd taste different id grant you, but i doubt they'd lose the taste.

And whilst you're right that they will need essential vitamins they cant make themselves, what makes you think we cant make them ourselves chemically? Theres no difference between natural vitamin C and man-made vitamin C. Its an identical molecule used in exactly the same metabolic pathways. No odds.

Point being its a step in the right direction. Alot of people have very little idea of the scale of wild stock being taken. You consider how many prawns for instance.
Every supermarket has fuckloads
Every restuarant has fuckloads
And this is for a country that must import them...

The scale of prawns being tea-leafed is pretty impressive, but then consider a) how they catch them (trawling) and b) how many other things eat them.

Im really not an eco warrior to any extent, but these kind of things have big arse knockon effects. I dont want all the White sharks to have died before i have a chance to twat one

As for leaded/unleaded petty, its not the benzene you need to worry about. Its the atmospheric lead levels. Do a search on tetraethyl lead.
Yes it got banned in petrol a while back, but the yanks were still using it to solder food cans together until about ten years ago.
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[LeeR]

You are what you eat and as farmed fish eat shite, I'll stick to the wild stuff, especially the stuff no one else likes and can't be farmed: Pilchards, Sardines, Mackerel etc...
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[GodzGift]

I farm fish all the time, especially deviate fish just south of the XRs its a quality fish which i tend to farm about a 3 stacks (60) at every session. I tend to cook them up as well which sells for loads at the action house as well and leaves a tidy profit.

I really need to stop playing WOW
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[D O G]

You have a point - the volume of trawled fish is ridiculous, and its not a great method of 'hunting'.

I do feel that we have done a crazy amount of damage to fish stocks - and as you correctly point out its the only major source of food that we don't farm most of our consumption.

I don't each much fish anyway - too expensive mostly. When I do its normally salmon, which is inevitably farmed at the price I pay!

[Visitor Q]

[stinkwheel]

Might I suggest you buy your fish from Marks and Spencer.

They will tell you where it was caught, how it was caught and by whom.

You can buy hand-line caught fish which has virtually zero "Bye catch", is tastier, environmentally sustainable and supports small businesses.

You can buy Icelandic cod. The UK entered the European common market, which was in my eyes nothing other than a trick so the Mediterranean countries could get their hands on our fisheries (see if you can find a graph showing what happened to UK cod stocks from 1976 onwards, I can't be bothered looking). At the same time Iceland has something called the "Cod Wars".

Basically Iceland depolyed their coastguard and warned everyone that if they were caught fishing in Icelandic territorial waters (which they extended to 200 miles) the would be warned first, then have their nets cut, then be fired upon. It all got a bit nasty for a while, the British Navy deployed firgates to protect trawlers, boats were rammed, shots were fired etc.

Iceland has a sustainable cod fishery.

In my oppinion though. If you want a welfare friendly, sustainable and tasty fish, buy line caught fish. Fish farms are far from environmentally sound.
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[Skudd]

If it comes with chips I'll eat it.
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[Visitor Q]

A little bit of reading on the Newfoundland Cod stock collapse
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[ms51ves3]

You're right, I missed that completely