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Fahd
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PostPosted: 00:27 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: I'm so confused! Reply with quote

How long does it take a person to get used to a 400 to the point that they can thrash it wherever they go? 400's are notorious for being bikes that are so easily 'thrashable'.
I feel like mine wants to rip my arms from my socket! Shocked I just literally at this point can't even begin to imagine what 600's, 750's and litre bikes are like in terms of power, never mind the crazy bikes outs their like those Turbo Busas! Neutral
I have a new found respect for those riders who can full throttle their '6's & thous' down the road because they are either very skilled or have a death wish. Anyway it would be nice to hear how other people took to the jump to their bigger bikes, especially if it scared the crap out of you, to make me feel better (like less of a wuss! Laughing ) as always, all replies are much appreciated! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's logic that the more you use it, and experiment safely and within your comfort limits you'll learn more, then rag it sooner. If ya legal.
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PostPosted: 00:56 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'll get used to the speed by next week. Thumbs Up

Before i got the Hornet i rode all sorts of bikes, SV650s, KTM640s etc, and they felt like animals, then i bought the Hornet, and after a day on it i was pretty much used to the power, 'tis a tad different from a 125/50 obviously, but it's not as hard to ride as it feels at first.
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

The first thing I noticed from my 4t 125 was the cornering, you have to gradualy put the throttle on aswell as lean it. otherwise you just go straight ahead Confused
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you trash it all day you will be worn out.
A 400 will forgive mistakes that a bigger bike wont.
Take it ease and learn how to work it. Thumbs Up
I look forward to your post about a 1000cc bike. Laughing

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Ps I hope it works out for you.
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

you will get used to the power soon enought.

im used to the restricted gpz and ive only put 500 miles on it (fucker keeps braking down)

ive been offered a go on th back of a tl...that shuld be good fun Laughing
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

from a 125 which was light weight and not much power to something with 5 times the power and 40% more weight you'll notice the difference for a couple of days but after a while the 125 will feel like nothing.
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PostPosted: 01:30 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="thefallenangel"]from a 125 which was light weight and not much power to something with 5 times the power and 40% more weight you'll notice the difference for a couple of days but after a while the 125 will feel like nothing.[/quote
I agree with that.
Just don't rev it to much and you will get use to it.
You are the one that is controlling the bike on the right hand of the handle bar.
The revs. Thumbs Up

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PostPosted: 10:56 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: I'm so confused! Reply with quote

Fahd wrote:

I feel like mine wants to rip my arms from my socket!


a lot is about finding a good riding position

When you get used to leaning you body forward, keeping your forearms parallel to the road, sitting well back in the seat, and with the balls of your feet on the pegs, its a lot easier to be in control when holding high revs with the throttle, and letting the clutch out smoothly to accelerate you rapidly.

If you learn good techniques, and practise, it becomes second nature.

Cornering then takes it to another level, with hanging off the bike, leaning over far, and maybe even getting your knee down one day.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all relative.

After several years of riding, when I jump on my 400, power wise, it feels like a glorified 125. You get used to the power, but never forget that you're on a bike. 400s aren't about their lame power outputs, but learning how to use as much of what they have to offer. (The trick ones used to lap the Isle of Man at 110mph average speeds).

Their trump card in comparison to bigger bikes, is their accessible performance to the average rider; as you have to work for the speed a lot more. I feel that I ride my NC30 a lot more, rather being taken for a ride on the bigger bikes I've owned. Scalping much larger machinery is a bit cliche, but is so much fun when you start harassing more bikes than those harassing you.
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PostPosted: 11:37 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fahd wrote:

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I have a new found respect for those riders who can full throttle their '6's & thous' down the road because they are either very skilled or have a death wish.


Thous are easy to ride, remember you dont have to pin the throttle back all the way all of the time Wink

The real trick is to throttle it up full so it doesnt keep lifting the front in the air through the first three gears Wink

As much as I try I cant open the throttle fully on the bandit without the front lifting. Damn that 14 tooth sprocket Laughing
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PostPosted: 14:09 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Front up is so cool though, pics or it didn't happen. Wink
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Different people 'get used to' speed at different rates to others.

As far as being able to decently thrash it - pretty much every rider can always get better if they try, whatever they ride.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thrashed the be-jesus out of my Blade for a day in the summer, just for the hell of it, and got around 25 miles less range out of the tank as a result. That was on open roads, anywhere else would have killed me. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
Front up is so cool though, pics or it didn't happen. Wink


I would love to take a picture whilst doing a wheelie but I fear I may fall off trying to get the right angle Wink
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PostPosted: 16:44 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know the feeling, I went from a 100 to a 750. Scared the life out of me at first but with a few days I couldn't accelerate fast enough!
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Re: I'm so confused! Reply with quote

My first bike was a full power R6 at 19, i was expecting so much from the comments i read about them being bad as a first bike, they're fast but nothing to what they're made out to be.

At first the speed seems amazing but after a couple of months it becomes second nature & you'll want to upgrade to a 600, then a 1000 etc.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I jumped from an RS50 onto my ZXR400.
At first it felt massive, and stupily fast, but now it feels really small and to slow Sad very little torque.

Give it a month and it will feel like you've been riding it a life time.

Ohh, and it's the winter, your not ment to be trashing it Cool
Coming from a guy who kept up with a '06gixxer6 upto about 125, then ran out of road Laughing (on private roads mind Wink )
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

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At first the speed seems amazing but after a couple of months it becomes second nature & you'll want to upgrade to a 600, then a 1000 etc.


Shame; doesn't really give you a feel for the bike's true potential. Feeling the rush in a straightline's all good and well, but what do you do after a modded to buggery K series GSXR Thou?

Just take your time, relish in the other characteristics your bike has to offer, and go from there.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:
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At first the speed seems amazing but after a couple of months it becomes second nature & you'll want to upgrade to a 600, then a 1000 etc.


Shame; doesn't really give you a feel for the bike's true potential. Feeling the rush in a straightline's all good and well, but what do you do after a modded to buggery K series GSXR Thou?

Just take your time, relish in the other characteristics your bike has to offer, and go from there.


I never actually moved up from a 600, after the R6 i got a Ninja 636 as i knew i hadn't got anywhere near the potential of the bike, same for my next bike. It's just a feeling that you always want something more.
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Enjoy the rush whilst it lasts.

I reckon too many people 'upgrade' their bikes when they turn the throttle and don't get that much excitement, but for me that is when it starts to get fun and you can begin to improve your riding (speed wise) which adds longevity to the whole slow bike thing. Hell it makes sense, I've had my BROS 400 since august and I'm not totaly bored of it yet Laughing

A mate at work wants to chop in his SV650 for a gix thou, 'cos it is boring and he is too fast for it. I'd like to sitck G/wave/luke (or some other quick person) on the BROS and show him that their is still plenty of life left in his tractor yet Wink
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:

but what do you do after a modded to buggery K series GSXR Thou?


Naturally, I assume the Turbo Busa would be next on the list for straight line speed?
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't like these "good riders" who think because thay have got the sped they need they have to get something bigger, I say you take your slow big bike and find a country lane, seek out it's potential and if you aren't surprised by it(or your oversized ego) and come off, have a near miss or have a few brown pants moments THEN you need to switch.

Or experiment on private land with the clutch and brakes. Wink but that's not for everyone.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I've only got a Ninja 636 and I've not yet had the opportunity to ride a 1000cc but flat out acceleration on my old NC30 didn't really seem that much slower than the ninja. It's just the ninja keeps going and has a slightly more insane point at around 12k revs.

IMO If you can handle the acceleration on a sport's 400 it won't take much to adjust to a 600. The only big difference being you have to adapt to the front becoming more flighty and having the capability of wheeling. My first power wheelie (I won't attempt to make out it was a spectacular balance point monster, but a 2 sec 1-2 footer) while overtaking a car was definitely my defining "I'm no longer on a 400" moment!
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PostPosted: 19:05 - 27 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know what you mean about the bike wanting to pull your arms off, i went from my cbr 125 to a zzr 600 and holy crap it scared the pants off me.
You will get used to it and it becomes the norm, i have had my bike 3 months now and still have not had it full throttle Laughing.
I think as im getting older im loseing my bottle.
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