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mikealison · Derestricted Danger Joined: 13 Jul 2003 Karma :

i hoping that someone can help me!!!! i was pulled by the old bill last night pushing my bike home from my brothers house. the copper is trying to do me for no insurance. he says you have to have insurance for a bike even if your pushing it on the pavement without any keys in it. does anybody know if this is law or if some jumped up little shit of a copper is trying to pull a fast one on me. any advice would be appriciated as i don't need another 6 points on my licence cos they'll be no point having my bike then, which will kill me. Crying or Very sad

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

If it's on the road, I'm afraid you do need insurance. Could have tried blagging that the bike was stolen by kids from your home and you had found it and was pushing it back? Confused

G · The Voice of Reason Joined: 02 Feb 2002 Karma :

Hmm.
If it means losing your licence or something pretty near it, then I'd get a solicitor, at the very least for initial advice.

Best case, hopefully the cop will have found someone else to annoy, and not bother filing the paperwork for your case because it's so petty.

If not and you get a sympathetic magistrate I reckon you should be able to get it brought down a lot.

.. No legal expert though.

Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Oh yeah, and if he's being a picky b@stard, then having it on the pavement is an offence as well Sad

xlfive · Scooby Slapper Joined: 26 Nov 2003 Karma :

god that makes my blood boil round are way we have a couple of scroats riding a reck all round the estate last night the bill were in our close when these b@astards came riding in the cops just sat there and did nothing even though as a collective we had complained loads to the bill about this problem ,they had them on a plate and did diddly squat Confused

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T.C · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Nov 2003 Karma :

Any vehicle in a public place which includes a pavement must be covered by a minimum road traffic act policy for third party risks. So he is quite correct in what he says.

Were you wearing your crash helmet? If not he could have done you for that as well, as even pushing your bike, the law requires you to wear your helmet as pushing it is still considered as riding the machine, and as someone else said, if you were on the pavement, you could have got done for that as well.
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Danny · Ask Me About Stoppie School Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Karma :

one1895 · Posted: 00:11 - 23 Dec 2003 Post subject:

Unlucky Mike, Sad

wherebouts was this then cuz you're from Hull too aren't ya?
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T.C · World Chat Champion Joined: 05 Nov 2003 Karma :

Dusty · King of the Rim Joined: 25 Mar 2003 Karma :

Mrs_Hippy · The Pink Lady Joined: 07 Jul 2002 Karma :

Talk to your loca citizens advice bureau - its worth a try.

Also they have replys to questions like these in the bike mage - the one I am thinking of is ride - they have a legal advice thing in the back (or used to). Their e-mail is [email protected].

andrew · Mister Road Rage Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

That takes the bisuit. How the hell can 'pushing' your bike be considered as 'riding' it? Seriously that sounds a bit stupid to me. The law in this country is a fudging joke.

Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

Cos you could push it into something?

Or push it down a massive hill and then jump on it?

Much easier to just say "you're on the road, you have to be insured" IMHO.

Dusty · King of the Rim Joined: 25 Mar 2003 Karma :

The fact that pushing a bike is part of the CBT implies that training is needed to do so, at least in the governments eyes. It's a bit silly if you ask me because you could push say a shopping trolley with and engine in it that would weigh almost as much as a bike on the footpath without insurance.

As Ste says, I recon it just because it's the easiest way to have the law set up, as it's not really open to interpretation.
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BLacKPooLLaD · Nova Slayer Joined: 04 Dec 2003 Karma :

To me thats all shite. Pushing ur bike on the pavement and not wearing a helmet, have they nothing better 2 do, thats even worse than getting done for 32mph in a 30mph zone. Good luck m8!!.

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Danny · Ask Me About Stoppie School Joined: 26 Jan 2003 Karma :

So I guess you can only push a bike if your insured on it and have a license to use it. Rolling Eyes

Does this also mean that a non biking mate cannot help me push my bike?

Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

They probably count a passenger or something Laughing

flat spot · World Chat Champion Joined: 29 Aug 2003 Karma :

Actually I remember getting done years ago pushing a field bike home. To get around such laws it mustn't have the chain on.

I doubt it has changed. Find out if it's true then should he follow it up you could say it didn't have the chain on. I'd guess he doesn't know about that and didn't point it out on the night either. Rolling Eyes

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EuropeanNC30R... · Gay Hairdresser Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Karma :

Sorry if i'm misinterpreting you, but does that mean you agree that MikeAlison should be prosecuted for having no insurance?

Kickstart · The Oracle Joined: 04 Feb 2002 Karma :

EuropeanNC30R... · Gay Hairdresser Joined: 20 Jun 2002 Karma :

A long while ago my Dad bought a car without an engine for a rally car project. As they were towing it home a real nasty copper stopped them and said, "right i'm going to throw the book at you, no insurance etc". The he opened the bonnet and said "where's the engine?!" He had to let them go Laughing

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Ste · Not Work Safe Joined: 01 Sep 2002 Karma :

I agree mostly. Most cops would use a bit of discresion in circumstances such as helping someone else push a bike, but it isn't unreasonable at all to say you need to be insured if you're on the road at all.