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In the words of Gordon Brown
"For Britain, 2008 will be a year of real and serious changes.
With important legislation making long-term changes in energy, climate change, health, pensions, planning, housing, education and transport, 2008 will be a year of measurable changes in public services."
Or in Plain english. Cough up & shut up.
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First of all...
"Or in Plain english. Cough up & shut up. "
- Are you being serious?
With regards to the actual test, it's all very confusing tbh. There is a emissions test that is taken at every MOT, however to gain your RPC (Reduced Pollution Certificate) you need to take your lorry to a VOSA test station to be tested again. There doesn't seem to be a set standard either. Even when contacting VOSA over the phone they pretty much just say we are not sure, buy a catalytic converter.
It really is a bad scheme and it's going to have huge effects, my dads business isn't doing all that great and so to have 5 thousand pounds taken out of a years sallary, thats a lot. When it will really kick up a fuss is when the next stages come in and effect people with motor caravans and the like, all the old couples in london will not be able to move theirs unless they buy a similar catalytic converter. I think that if the government want to just bring in schemes like this they need to subsidise it, people like my dad will get hit hard, he's just a one man band at the end of the day. Just another example of our government discouraging small business
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Can't beleive they brought in LEZ and no-one in the south of england seems to be complaining about it
In 2 days time it will affect lorries. In 2 years time this will affect vans!
Unfortunatly I can't offer much specfifc advice 400bandit. If you haven't already you can check the vehicle's complience at https://www.tfl.gov.uk/roadusers/lez/vehicles/2539.aspx . Also do loads of searches on google, youtube etc I'm sure there was some vids about taxis that fitted the magic converter box and it made the smoke worse! |
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The way I understand the LEZ, is that any HGV that meets Euro 3 emissions standards is eligble to enter the LEZ.
Euro 3 is the pass mark for the LEZ, it's just an emissions standard they've decided on, a lot of modern trucks are already equipped with Euro 3,4 and 5 engines, it's the older ones that are going to run into problems, however apparently some Euro 1 and 2 engines may still pass Euro 3 standards, others will need new particulate filters and catalysts adding.
However as you have a 2001 DAF 85, I would think the engine is Euro 3 compliant so should be able to pass the test. The test is conducted by VOSA and can be done seperately or at the same time as the vehicle's MOT. If the engine in your DAF is Euro 2 or older then you'll just have to either get it tested and see if it passes anyway, or get it fitted with one of these catalysts. Saw an advert for a company called Eminox today, they're also listed on the LEZ website, they list the DAF 85 as a model they cater for.
The whole thing is a bit random in terms of why go for the Euro 3 standard specifically, but then they have to set the bar somewhere or it's just a waste of time, problem is it's gonna hit smaller businesses with their smaller profits more than the big ones, which have modern fleets which get regularly updated regardless of new schemes like this.
Company I work for has no issue with it as the entire fleet is already Euro IV compliant bar a few older scanias and mercs, which are possibly Euro III engines anyway so it makes no odds to them, big company, big profits, no problem. Family company, no financial sense in upgrading to new trucks just for the sake of it has a big problem as it need expensive modifications or a new bunch of trucks just to comply with some new emissions regulations.
Our trucks also have Adblue now as part of the Euro IV emissions reduction system. I know it works by spraying a Urea mix into the exhaust gases and alongside the catalyst reduces the emissions. I've no idea if it's possible to retrofit older trucks with Adblue systems?
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| 400bandit wrote: | First of all...
"Or in Plain english. Cough up & shut up. "
- Are you being serious?
With regards to the actual test, it's all very confusing tbh. There is a emissions test that is taken at every MOT, however to gain your RPC (Reduced Pollution Certificate) you need to take your lorry to a VOSA test station to be tested again. There doesn't seem to be a set standard either. Even when contacting VOSA over the phone they pretty much just say we are not sure, buy a catalytic converter.
It really is a bad scheme and it's going to have huge effects, my dads business isn't doing all that great and so to have 5 thousand pounds taken out of a years sallary, thats a lot. When it will really kick up a fuss is when the next stages come in and effect people with motor caravans and the like, all the old couples in london will not be able to move theirs unless they buy a similar catalytic converter. I think that if the government want to just bring in schemes like this they need to subsidise it, people like my dad will get hit hard, he's just a one man band at the end of the day. Just another example of our government discouraging small business
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I wasn't suggesting you should cough up and shut up. I was simply saying thats what the gov expect you to do.
I dont like it anymore that you do, but thats the stance they will take. |
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Or hows about this for an idea?
Nodody take any lorries inside the M25, let the fuckers starve to death.
On a different note. I wonder if the system that is usually used to provide compressed air for the brakes could be temporarily re-routed to 'ventilate' the exhaust system? ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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So all these london busses pass the standard?  ____________________ "because one stroke isnt enough and four strokes waste two" |
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| stinkwheel wrote: | Or hows about this for an idea?
Nodody take any lorries inside the M25, let the fuckers starve to death.
On a different note. I wonder if the system that is usually used to provide compressed air for the brakes could be temporarily re-routed to 'ventilate' the exhaust system? |
I was thinking exactly the same thing in that , you have a very very large tank say one of those huge long gas cylinders which you buy butane in , have a compressor routed to the engine zorst pipes , to compress the zorst gases into this tank ,
then have a separate compressor inside the cab linked to the outer exhaust pipes , with a sort of solenoid valve connected to the accelerator ,
I bet alot of snake oil sales men have used this trick to make 100% clean cars , but ask for a 100K retainer for further research or for the investors to have a look inside. ____________________ Spain 2008France 2007Big one 2009 We all die. The goal isn't to live forever, the goal is to create something that will. In the end, your life will flash before your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching. |
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 18 years, 298 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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