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Itchy
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PostPosted: 08:54 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Bit annoyed with biking this the answer? Reply with quote

Is a new bike the answer? , when I mean new I mean new as in an 07 bike ,maybe an off chance 05/06 bike depending on condition etc, I'm thinking maybe a newish CBF500 its got to be reliable right?. the £3200 price might be worthy for the amount of stress it'll free me of..

What has given me the hump has I seem to be constantly fixing the bikes , my life seems to be get up go to work come back spent 1-2 hours fixing problems on bikes BCF then bed.

I fix something something else goes wrong ,ie I fix the rear brake on the NTV , its front brake seizes, I fix that then the electrics play up the NTV dies.

I've fixed the CBR to a ridable state , its electrics go iffy. I fix that , the zorst develops a huge hole, I bodge fix that and the electrics go iffy again (tail light).

I've not had a single day since October where the bikes have worked without me needing to fix something.

This is made many times more difficult since I often have trouble diagnosing the problem.

So is a new bike the answer? (kisses good bye to the 08 Touring fund if this is the case).


Going bike to bike destroyer ie 2004/05 isn't possible as breakers here don't sell bikes cheaply and thus its not economical to ride bikes into the ground here and that just inherits even more problems.
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PostPosted: 09:00 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

For your sanity

get a brand new bike from suzuki with interest free for 3 years and enjoy having no mot to do for a while, a warranty and free aa breakdown.

then when you get close to the 3 years up sell the bugger and get a new one again.

wish i could do this - maybe you can! Smile
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PostPosted: 09:03 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Honda CBRF is meant to be a bloody good bike....strange to have such problems with it. Thinking

Well i bought a 2001 ZX7R after my 1995 VFR400R....the VFR never once caused me a hassle Until i put fucking diesel in it Very Happy

The 7R was sweet as a nut only doing the usual maintanance until some idiot opened a car door on me.

I think you've had a bad run, buying a bike brand new is not the answer to make your biking better. By all means, if you can, bloody do it, i would. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy the VFR sorted out biking totally for me in my head, only spannering I do on it now is routine maintainance and fitting aftermarket parts.

Don't buy a new bike, buy a reliable bike

Are these problems with the CBR due to you coming off?

Are we just justifying you getting a new bike? I bet you've already decided really Wink

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PostPosted: 09:14 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride an 1990 ZX10, which to be fair wasn't in the best state when I got it. I share your misery in that there is always something going wrong with it.

I found the time to upgrade is when you're at the stage when as soon as you pull off you're wondering "hmmm, what will go wrong today then?". It takes so much of the joy of riding away when you're just waiting for it to break down or have something stop working.

In 2002 I upgraded to a 1999 model ZX7r and it was a joy. It still needed tweaking and whatnot, but not excessively so like the '10

If you can upgrade, go for it
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can afford it why not.
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PostPosted: 11:15 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

My CB-1 was the same, constant problems due to neglect.

Not my neglect but whoever had the bike before me (or whether it was just sitting idle, which is easily as bad) but it meant that lots of problems cropped out of the woodwork and gave me constant hassle.

I bought a VFR, same as Tony, then ripped out all the wires from the CB-1 and did it myself. Took me a day to rewire the entire thing by hand, (bar lights and non-essential bike running cabling) and its perfect. Been running as a spare hack for a couple of months sometimes not being used for weeks. Starts fine, and runs fine.

Your best bet with a neglected bike is to inspect and repair everything rather than fixing what breaks. Sure if it ain't broke don't fix it, etc, but thats not counting for problems that will crop up with older bikes that have corroded god knows where and seized elsewhere.

Mind you, either way it still means either working on your bike a lot still, or buying another bike. My problem was I couldn't do any large amounts of maintenance due to relying on the bike daily. Having the VFR means I can tear my CB-1 apart and not worry if something breaks in the process or won't go back on.
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PostPosted: 12:28 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without any disrespect (of course!) I think the problem is your bodging, its not a good solid bodge that will last forever. The CBR could be a good bike with maybe a couple of hundred spent on it, maybe less. Possibly the same with the NTV. You knew all along that the simple answer with the exhaust was to get a replacement one.

What you have to weigh up here is the value of a new bike compared to the '08 tour.

New(er) bike, might be problem free, not guaranteed, maybe out of warranty, plus you get stress from the amount of money you've spent and no holiday.

Like Toby said, you need to find a good reliable bike. Personally I look at the number of previous owners, and the general condition of the bike. Looking at my older (running) bikes at the moment I have a '87 XV1000, 18000 miles, 1 previous owner, changed the brake seals last year, that was all. '95 ZL600, 32k, 1 previous owner, used almost everyday, in three years the only fault was a dodgy bulb holder. Even the '84 GS550m I brought a couple of years ago as an hack still passed the MOT without any work.
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PostPosted: 12:56 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's kind of like "buy cheap, buy twice". You paid bottom dolla' for your CBR, so it's bound to have some problems. If you'd spent another £500-1000 on it in the first place, you would have got one with lower mileage and likely less problems. You're lucky you can actually fix things though, I wouldn't have a clue so I have to buy a pretty decent bike in the first place Smile . But on the other hand, I don't need my bike for commuting.
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

mattgirv wrote:

Mind you, either way it still means either working on your bike a lot still, or buying another bike. My problem was I couldn't do any large amounts of maintenance due to relying on the bike daily. Having the VFR means I can tear my CB-1 apart and not worry if something breaks in the process or won't go back on.


that was my plan too , with the CBR crashed and slowly being fixed the NTV took the reins of commuter (as usual) , the NTV then broke as well , meaning I have to rely on a very dogdy CBR600 to get me to and from work.
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PostPosted: 13:07 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

St0rmer66 wrote:
It's kind of like "buy cheap, buy twice". You paid bottom dolla' for your CBR, so it's bound to have some problems. If you'd spent another £500-1000 on it in the first place, you would have got one with lower mileage and likely less problems. You're lucky you can actually fix things though, I wouldn't have a clue so I have to buy a pretty decent bike in the first place Smile . But on the other hand, I don't need my bike for commuting.


No the CBR was fine I ripped it apart before my tour and checked everything I even did some preventitive maintenance and carried 2 recs out to France as well as spare cables and wires and fuses.
changed all the bulbs over etc.

the problem with the CBR is that I crashed it,

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the CBR had about 22 or was it 24000 miles on it when I bought it, I went on a trip to France and crammed about 4000 miles onto it , then a few fast ride outs and its now about 30K. So it was comparatively low mileage,


Toby R wrote:

Are these problems with the CBR due to you coming off?

Are we just justifying you getting a new bike? I bet you've already decided really Wink

T


the zorst problems yes the rest no , the CBR survived the crash fairly well I could ride it home , I stripped it down after getting home from Bab's place and checked the damage , the electrics were fine , it started fine , it just needed bits like pegs swing arm etc.

I fixed the CBR to a ridable state yesterday barely , its electrics are fine all lights , horn , indies work fine , I get into work and get off the CBR and notice the lights have stopped working the front bulb pulses horribly (sounds like a charging issue but then I recently replaced the genny) , the tail lights don't work and the indicators are intermittant.

All in all I was thinking about a 954 Blade but then thought I'd rather spend the funds on more touring instead and thus in keeping the CBR on the road, since miles make bike worthless and I was planning on about 23,000 miles in Europe this year.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 14:30 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's always the same when you have more than one bike...

it's not possible for them all to be running at the same time, One will break because it's jealous the other one is in use, and then the first one will break in sympathy...

at least that's how it seems to go for me. Getting more bikes isn't the answer, as then they just gang up on you...

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PostPosted: 14:33 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least its not just me that thinks that.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

erilaz wrote:

I found the time to upgrade is when you're at the stage when as soon as you pull off you're wondering "hmmm, what will go wrong today then?".
I find it more of a game, guessing what it will be and then waiting to see if your right.

erilaz wrote:

It takes so much of the joy of riding away when you're just waiting for it to break down or have something stop working.
It's more of an education to me, plus you gotta see how far/fast you can get before something happens, you get to keep records that way then you can aim at something to beat.

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PostPosted: 19:48 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had four bikes at one time once, I spent more time MOTing them, fixing them and generally getting oily than I did riding them. I prefer to have one bike, get it well and truly sorted and then ride the damn thing. Try getting rid of one and using the dosh to sort the second properly.

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PostPosted: 20:03 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the grim reaper wrote:
I had four bikes at one time once, I spent more time MOTing them, fixing them and generally getting oily than I did riding them. I prefer to have one bike, get it well and truly sorted and then ride the damn thing. Try getting rid of one and using the dosh to sort the second properly.

Cheers

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I've got my VFR and the GS500 as an anchor and to also get running again in the summer, I really miss ragging the twat out of the 500, as doing it on the VFR gets silly past 2nd gear Sad

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PostPosted: 21:45 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erm yeah cos nothing can go wrong with a new bike......... Rolling Eyes like mine for example, 3 weeks out of the showroom, less than 250 miles on the clock and the jubilee clip to my rad hose broke in a way that no-one (Himself, the AA man, the dealer) had ever seen before and I had to get recovered off the M6 cos it was pissing coolant everywhere........... Sad

Warranty is only useful if whatever breaks is actually covered by it, you'd be amazed what the manufacturer will turn down on a warranty claim as "fair wear and tear". Also, warranty work tends to go to the bottom of the dealer to-do list cos they don't get paid very well for it, so although you may have peace of mind that a problem will get fixed if it takes a while what do you ride in the meantime? Will you get a courtesy bike or are you back to square 1?

I kind of know where you're coming from cos if you remember I had a number of "issues" with my 400 Eliminator, to the point where I lost confidence in it and wasn't enjoying riding it because of thet "what's going to go next" thing. I should have been upset when Ms Dozy Bint knocked it over and wrote it off, but I wasn't.

I think what I'm trying to say is what others have already told you; it may be time to give up one of your current 2 in favour of a more reliable bike, not necessarily a new one that is going to drain you of all your spare cash. Once you have that, you can then take your time getting the remaining "spare" sorted out.

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It's always the same when you have more than one bike...

it's not possible for them all to be running at the same time, One will break because it's jealous the other one is in use, and then the first one will break in sympathy...

at least that's how it seems to go for me. Getting more bikes isn't the answer, as then they just gang up on you...

is absolutely spot-on in my experience!
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

With a new(er) bike you stop worrying so much about if it will start in the morning, and the worry switches to if it is where you left it in the morning

Also any damage on it is more painful, that slight scratch, or dent, or scuff on the bars is more noticable.


May be more reliable, but you may trade one worry for another
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PostPosted: 22:05 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got in this mood couple months ago with my Cagiva. I spent 5months waiting for parts and then broke my thumb a month after i get back on the bike. Was abit depressing, actually put me off biking at one point... The bike was/is a heap of shit, and i actually dislike/d having to ride it, which is something i'd never expected to feel!

I realised i have more fun riding a bike 'off road' soaked and covered in mud rather than going anywhere fast Laughing. Thats where i set the task of getting rid of the Cagiva (pm for details Razz) and looking for something i want.

Just finding out what you want and getting direction seems to help!

good luck on getting the right bike! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

My rs125 gave me problems, then the cb1 i had started playing up after a while. It was nothing serious, just constant niggly problems due to its age and mileage. After it let me down a few times i bit the bullet and bought a year old bike with low mileage - the peace of mind it gives me is well worth the extra outlay Thumbs Up
(plus i dont have to put up with tired suspension, weedy brakes and getting my hands dirty every weekend)
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PostPosted: 22:59 - 04 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
St0rmer66 wrote:
It's kind of like "buy cheap, buy twice". You paid bottom dolla' for your CBR, so it's bound to have some problems. If you'd spent another £500-1000 on it in the first place, you would have got one with lower mileage and likely less problems. You're lucky you can actually fix things though, I wouldn't have a clue so I have to buy a pretty decent bike in the first place Smile . But on the other hand, I don't need my bike for commuting.


No the CBR was fine I ripped it apart before my tour and checked everything I even did some preventitive maintenance and carried 2 recs out to France as well as spare cables and wires and fuses.
changed all the bulbs over etc.

the problem with the CBR is that I crashed it,

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the CBR had about 22 or was it 24000 miles on it when I bought it, I went on a trip to France and crammed about 4000 miles onto it , then a few fast ride outs and its now about 30K. So it was comparatively low mileage,

Just to clarify on my earlier comment, I wasn't saying you were a cheapskate or anything! Just that if a deal seems too good to be true then it usually is. However if your CBR was fine before, the crash certainly would affect it! Wink .

Once you fix the electrics you may find nothing else goes wrong for a while. CBR's are known to be reliable bikes if looked after. A newer bike would bring some piece of mind too, but then if you crashed again you could end up in the same place just with a more expensive dead bike!

Something that might be worth considering is that if say there was a 1999 CBR600F with 24,000 miles for £2000 and a 1999 CBR600F with 12,000 miles for £2500, it might be worth the extra just to know how it's been treated for more of its life. Then if something goes wrong 10,000 miles down the line (that isn't a manufacturing fault) you know it's because you did/didn't do something!
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beatnck2 wrote:
My rs125 gave me problems, then the cb1 i had started playing up after a while. It was nothing serious, just constant niggly problems due to its age and mileage. After it let me down a few times i bit the bullet and bought a year old bike with low mileage - the peace of mind it gives me is well worth the extra outlay Thumbs Up
(plus i dont have to put up with tired suspension, weedy brakes and getting my hands dirty every weekend)
Damn that sounds similar. Couldn't sell it for enough to even get half a newer decent bike. Crying or Very sad Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 06 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah the sad thing with my CB-1 was selling it would get me about £400 tops the state it is in. I'd rather keep it and deal with the hassles it gives me than sell for such a small amount.

Its hardly costing me that much to keep it, even spares are dirt cheap.
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