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PostPosted: 21:55 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Attention: MAIL ON SUNDAY Readers Reply with quote

To all the Mail on Sunday readers or anyone who wishes to comment. I posted this earlier on this evening on the Mail message boards, and for reasons which remain unknown it was almost immediately removed. Its a bit of a rant. And indeed it is fairly lengthy. Thanks for your time.

Some of you avid Mail on Sunday followers may be excited by the prospect of being joined by a fellow enthusiast in the cafe. Sadly, however, i am by no means a Mail on Sunday enthusiast, so, it may well be a good time for you to return to your financial supplement or live magazine, or maybe even relax whilst listening to your free Prince CD before then returning to read positively about Mr.Blairs early party reforms. At this point I suspect you are waiting for me to fire out a whole missile’s worth of abuse about the readers of the Mail on Sunday. Well no in fact, because you see my problem, in essence, is not entirely to do with the readers. It is in fact to do with the simpleton pompouses sat at their desk in their spinning cow skin chairs who think that, their harebrained idea to include in their paper more supplements than can be found in Holland and Barrat, is in someway a good one? Ive tried; really i have, to discover the answer to my question. Ive read these supplements and yet no matter how many times i read them, they seem to me a complete an utter waste of ink. But this is not all; they are a complete and utter waste of my life. Every Sunday i am rudely awoken from my bed to lump these heaps of thinned tree into the Mail. A financial supplement, a live magazine, a you magazine and sometimes more. Had i worked for Tesco's this would not be an issue because we'd simply pay the mail to pre-pack all of this into a giant sandwich bag. Unfortunately, the small independent newsagents cannot do this. Instead it takes me around 2hours to put 600-900 supplements inside 300 + Mail on Sundays. That’s almost one thousand every week, fifty two thousand a year. I loose a whole week of my life inserting these pieces of what might as well be spam. At this point you may be wondering what exactly my problem is, its only a few magazines. Well yes you’d be partly right, for the past two year’s ive done and every week ive moaned and cursed, but still got on with it. So why am i complaining now? Its simple really; Mr.Dacre and Zitter (editors) have once again approved the ludicrous proposition of yet another supplement!! As of yet we have not been blessed with this new Hitler composition, and no matter how many times i read it i fail to comprehend exactly what will be going inside your paper. But i frightfully fear that i will be now inserting forever more supplements into this glorious paper. And i think ive reached the end of my tether in much the same way my colleague did recently with the weekend Telegraphs. The quantity of supplements to be inserted was insane, towering our telegraphs so much that the paper rounds reached such a size where a small forklift would have been required to deliver them. It wasn’t acceptable or feasible, paper rounds had to be divided into three parts just they could fit into the bags. It reached such a stage that we had no other option but to strip these supplements to the bare minimum, resulting us throwing away every weekend nearly five bin bags worth of unnecessary supplements. But did the telegraph care? No of course they didnt. And neither will the Mail on Sunday. Our telegraph reader’s didnt even notice that supplements were missing from their papers, and my honest suspicision is that neither, in fact, would you. If i decided to tear apart the polythene bags and remove about 50% of it to say just the magazine(s) and insert that along with the financial. How many of you would actually notice? How many, more importantly, of you would actually care? How many of you actually ever bother to read the supplements at all? So now, reluctantly, invite you to provide a comeback or response if you like. Id really would like to know whether the 6240 minutes i spend every year of what i can only describe as a waste of my life, is actually remotely worthwhile. And so assuming it transpires that im wrong, then answer me this. If i, the small independent newsagents selling 300 mails, decides to miss out a few supplements the Mail on Sunday probably wouldnt actually care because lets face it, three hundered is not exactly Austwich. And if this IS the case, then surely prepacking all the supplements for the mere 300 mails as a matter of course should be no hard task?
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PostPosted: 22:03 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there an abridged version?
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PostPosted: 22:07 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Is there an abridged version?

Of my post. No.
Of the Mail. No.
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PostPosted: 22:24 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a very good point made, and it is the main reason, that I stopped buying a Sunday paper many years ago.
If the government were really serious with 'green' issues, they would put a stop to this sort of bollox, before trying to tax Joe public into compliance.
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PostPosted: 22:25 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Attention: MAIL ON SUNDAY Readers Reply with quote

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Instead it takes me around 2hours to put 600-900 supplements inside 300 + Mail on Sundays. That’s almost one thousand every week, fifty two thousand a year. I loose a whole week of my life inserting these pieces of what might as well be spam.


Get the paper boys to do it. I used to do them.
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PostPosted: 22:31 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

sagiliam wrote:
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Is there an abridged version?

Of my post. No.
Of the Mail. No.


Is there a version with paragraphs?
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Attention: MAIL ON SUNDAY Readers Reply with quote

cagiva gezzer wrote:
...paper boys...I used to do them.


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PostPosted: 22:40 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Attention: MAIL ON SUNDAY Readers Reply with quote

sagiliam wrote:
It wasn’t acceptable or feasible, paper rounds had to be divided into three parts just so they could fit into the bags.


I'm pretty sure you meant for there to be a 'so' in there, so I stuck one in in case you missed it. If not, then apologies.

I think you have a very good point. My dad detested the amount of junk mail that was thrown in with the paper, and I've not met anyone that did appreciate it. I never thought about the people that have to put that stuff in there, tbh, I thought that job would be down to the newspaper companies. Embarassed

I'd keep posting it up there and complain if they keep taking it down. I'd maybe split it into a few paragraphs first though.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

PARAGRAPHS! PARAGRAPHS!
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PostPosted: 23:40 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I rarely comment on this but here you go.

You will probably find that poor punctuation, capitalisation and formatting resulted in the half wit filter deleting the email. Certainly admitting that your task in life is currently a lackey would have disturbed the middle class demographic to which this is aimed.
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PostPosted: 00:13 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a new job.
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Attention: MAIL ON SUNDAY Readers Reply with quote

Also ...

sagiliam wrote:
Austwich


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PostPosted: 00:22 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have a message board on the interweb? How about everyone who reads this thread. Copys and pastes. Adds a few paragraphs for good measure, then goes and pastes it on theyre message board. Or even better, find some links for random crap and add them in the middle of a sentance.

Sagilam, if you want to waste some more time, instead of throwing them away. Keep all the suplements, put them in a box and get the delivered to the Mails head office. With a complaint letter at the top so they can see before they just burn it.
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PostPosted: 01:49 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Attention: MAIL ON SUNDAY Readers Reply with quote

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To all the Mail on Sunday readers or anyone who wishes to comment. I posted this earlier on this evening on the Mail message boards, and for reasons which remain unknown it was almost immediately removed. Its a bit of a rant. And indeed it is fairly lengthy. Thanks for your time.

Some of you avid Mail on Sunday followers may be excited by the prospect of being joined by a fellow enthusiast in the cafe. Sadly, however, i am by no means a Mail on Sunday enthusiast, so, it may well be a good time for you to return to your financial supplement or live magazine, or maybe even relax whilst listening to your free Prince CD before then returning to read positively about Mr.Blairs early party reforms. At this point I suspect you are waiting for me to fire out a whole missile’s worth of abuse about the readers of the Mail on Sunday. Well no in fact, because you see my problem, in essence, is not entirely to do with the readers. It is in fact to do with the simpleton pompouses sat at their desk in their spinning cow skin chairs who think that, their harebrained idea to include in their paper more supplements than can be found in Holland and Barrat, is in someway a good one? Ive tried; really i have, to discover the answer to my question. Ive read these supplements and yet no matter how many times i read them, they seem to me a complete an utter waste of ink. But this is not all; they are a complete and utter waste of my life. Every Sunday i am rudely awoken from my bed to lump these heaps of thinned tree into the Mail. A financial supplement, a live magazine, a you magazine and sometimes more. Had i worked for Tesco's this would not be an issue because we'd simply pay the mail to pre-pack all of this into a giant sandwich bag. Unfortunately, the small independent newsagents cannot do this. Instead it takes me around 2hours to put 600-900 supplements inside 300 + Mail on Sundays. That’s almost one thousand every week, fifty two thousand a year. I loose a whole week of my life inserting these pieces of what might as well be spam. At this point you may be wondering what exactly my problem is, its only a few magazines. Well yes you’d be partly right, for the past two year’s ive done and every week ive moaned and cursed, but still got on with it. So why am i complaining now? Its simple really; Mr.Dacre and Zitter (editors) have once again approved the ludicrous proposition of yet another supplement!! As of yet we have not been blessed with this new Hitler composition, and no matter how many times i read it i fail to comprehend exactly what will be going inside your paper. But i frightfully fear that i will be now inserting forever more supplements into this glorious paper. And i think ive reached the end of my tether in much the same way my colleague did recently with the weekend Telegraphs. The quantity of supplements to be inserted was insane, towering our telegraphs so much that the paper rounds reached such a size where a small forklift would have been required to deliver them. It wasn’t acceptable or feasible, paper rounds had to be divided into three parts just they could fit into the bags. It reached such a stage that we had no other option but to strip these supplements to the bare minimum, resulting us throwing away every weekend nearly five bin bags worth of unnecessary supplements. But did the telegraph care? No of course they didnt. And neither will the Mail on Sunday. Our telegraph reader’s didnt even notice that supplements were missing from their papers, and my honest suspicision is that neither, in fact, would you. If i decided to tear apart the polythene bags and remove about 50% of it to say just the magazine(s) and insert that along with the financial. How many of you would actually notice? How many, more importantly, of you would actually care? How many of you actually ever bother to read the supplements at all? So now, reluctantly, invite you to provide a comeback or response if you like. Id really would like to know whether the 6240 minutes i spend every year of what i can only describe as a waste of my life, is actually remotely worthwhile. And so assuming it transpires that im wrong, then answer me this. If i, the small independent newsagents selling 300 mails, decides to miss out a few supplements the Mail on Sunday probably wouldnt actually care because lets face it, three hundered is not exactly Austwich. And if this IS the case, then surely prepacking all the supplements for the mere 300 mails as a matter of course should be no hard task?
Kind Regards


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PostPosted: 03:12 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I reckon a nice abridged version would be...

Damnit, im a newsagent, and have to assemble each persons newspaper delivery with all its suppllements, and it takes me ages. I think there are too many supplements, or prepack them yourselves instead of expecting me to do it all.
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PostPosted: 06:55 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work in a petrol station & I used to dread saturday & Sunday mornings because of the supplements I had to put in the papers.
My daughter also used to do a paper round and at the weekend my mum used to take her in the car otherwise she would have had to return to the shop at least 4 times to collect more papers in order to complete her round.
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PostPosted: 07:54 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A version with punctuation having been grammar and spell checked might have kept it on the message board. "Worcester woman" and "perturbed of Tunbridge Wells" would have a blue fit trying to read that, see they do consider their readers. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:54 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all very much for your replies.
I more than agree that i could of been umm a lil bit more careful with my punctuation, spelling etc. I would have paragraphs in but the box you type your post in, is nothing like BCF. Its just like a little 'online form' you would fill in for a company to call you back for something. After it took my a while took write i really could not be arsed to check through it.
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They have a message board on the interweb? How about everyone who reads this thread. Copys and pastes. Adds a few paragraphs for good measure, then goes and pastes it on theyre message board. Or even better, find some links for random crap and add them in the middle of a sentance.

Sagilam, if you want to waste some more time, instead of throwing them away. Keep all the suplements, put them in a box and get the delivered to the Mails head office. With a complaint letter at the top so they can see before they just burn it.

I like both your ideas very much. When i find some time today i may edit the damn thing. Id love to bombard the MOS forums. Very Happy
You second idea of gathering all the supplements up. We have not reached the point of having to do this just yet, but with the warning we recieved last week from Menzies informing us that the Mail is introducing a MOS2 and changing its composition. We are yet to see exactly what we will be inserting into the paper, but as i mentioned i dont exepect it to be anything smaller. And, even if we could package them up, imagine the postage costs to the mails head office !!
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You will probably find that poor punctuation, capitalisation and formatting resulted in the half wit filter deleting the email. Certainly admitting that your task in life is currently a lackey would have disturbed the middle class demographic to which this is aimed.
I agree. But my problem really is not with the readers, apart from the fact that they keep buying the heap o crap. It is with the big wigs who decided to put all these supps in.

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I'm pretty sure you meant for there to be a 'so' in there, so I stuck one in in case you missed it. If not, then apologies.

I think you have a very good point. My dad detested the amount of junk mail that was thrown in with the paper, and I've not met anyone that did appreciate it. I never thought about the people that have to put that stuff in there, tbh, I thought that job would be down to the newspaper companies.

Cheers lol. This really presses my buttons. EVERY WEEK without fail a customer will comment on how thick and heavy the paper is because they keeping putting "all this junk inside". But bet your bottom dollar that if they dont get one of their mags, they'll be straight on the phone or back to the shop demanding one!

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Get the paper boys to do it. I used to do them.

Thats not physically possible unfortunately. We have over 50 rounds on a sunday. They have a small room that 5 are allowed in at a time to make up their rounds. It takes three of us, 2 hours to do all of the supplements and we have to make up some paper rounds (car runs etc) We cannot let them in till 7am, and at that time we must open the shop, for which we need papers. So theres no time or space for this to be an option.

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There is a very good point made, and it is the main reason, that I stopped buying a Sunday paper many years ago.
If the government were really serious with 'green' issues, they would put a stop to this sort of bollox, before trying to tax Joe public into compliance.

Im very glad you highlighted this. I had a field day mocking the MOS last week. For one simple reason. Last week was a 'GREEN' issue of their 'You' supplement! A Green issue haha. That'd be the day. And if i remember correctly, the only reason it was green...was because it could be recycled! Its just gets better.
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PostPosted: 12:16 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could HAVE or Could'VE.
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PostPosted: 12:19 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to work in a newsagents and the MOS's used to annoy me so much. I remember we had one person putting the magazine inside the other magazine with cling film around it. Then put it in the paper supplement, then have someone else putting the whole wedge of supplement inside of the bleeding paper.

It's bloody ludicrous and the people who read the Mail are even worse!
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PostPosted: 12:58 - 11 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

But they pay you to do it so meh, 2p handling fee for each paper iirc?
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 16 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Attention: MAIL ON SUNDAY Readers Reply with quote

sagiliam wrote:
Id really would like to know whether the 6240 minutes i spend every year of what i can only describe as a waste of my life, is actually remotely worthwhile.


It's called work, and it is no different for me than it is for you. Most of the thigns I do at work are just as pointless and the only reason I do them is to get the money I need for petrol/mortgage/parts and my son.

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It wasn’t acceptable or feasible, paper rounds had to be divided into three parts just they could fit into the bags.


This is the same as it was when I was a paperboy twenty-odd years ago.

But, do you feel better now you have vented?
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