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ms51ves3
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: My first slide down the road Reply with quote

Well, I've done it, I came off my scooter.
Came on to the roundabout and a Toyota Corolla, N reg, decides at the last minute he wants to change direction. Animation to help Very Happy

https://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/ms51ves3/My-crash-MS-paint5.gif

When we pulled over I asked him for his insurance and address (for got to ask for his name Embarassed ) and he said you can have my reg. So I've reported the accident and him to the police.

A guy in a BMW pulled over though with us and told me to go home and get some rest and a hot drink. He said 'Your fall was nasty'.
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He gave me his business card incase I needed anything.

Here's a picture of my worst injury caused by my George jeans rubbing my leg as I came off.

https://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/ms51ves3/DSC00528.jpg

Damage to the scooter is the steering is out of alignment so I guess I'll just use the good old bicycle trick and straighten that back up use my legs around the front wheel. I have cracked my front panel and have deep scratches on my brake reservoir. Small scratch on the back panel of the scooter. Apart from that it's fine so I will fix it later and ride it to college tomorrow.

P.S. Sorry if there are spelling mistakes, spell check isn't working.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As he was on the roundabout first/to your right, he had the right of way and it looks like you came onto the roundabout after him (which is legal) then tried to overtake/ride along side him.

Ok he was in the wrong position but are there specified lanes for each direction? (from his direction anyway)
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PostPosted: 18:42 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Driving without due care & attention?(him)
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PostPosted: 18:47 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
Driving without due care & attention?(him)


The fact that he was already in the roundabout and whether you fail to notice that the car will or will not be turning off at one of the junctions and then you hit him because you read the situation wrong?

Fingers pointing at the wrong person.

The diagram suggests that you straight lined the roundabout and into him.
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

He never gave you insurance details ? maybe hes not insured. Sound like you could use the guy in the bmw as a witness.

If the guy in Corolla swerved at the last minute surely the accident would be his fault ? for not being in the correct lane ?
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like you took the wrong line round the round about and went into him.

Looking at the picture you should of gone in the out side lane and driven round the outside idicate left and come off the junction. THe picture says to me you went into the inside which shows you were going round the round about not straigt over. Yes the cages line was abit off but looks like you were attempting to over take him.

I think it could be either 50/50 or your fault. Let us know how it goes. Glad to see you walked away from it.
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PostPosted: 19:08 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What on earth were you doing in the right-hand lane?
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whosthedaddy wrote:
st3v3 wrote:
Driving without due care & attention?(him)


The fact that he was already in the roundabout and whether you fail to notice that the car will or will not be turning off at one of the junctions and then you hit him because you read the situation wrong?

Fingers pointing at the wrong person.

The diagram suggests that you straight lined the roundabout and into him.
Good point, I saw it as the OP pulled on to the roundabout, then the car swerved into him(un-intentionally), leaving the ped no where to go.
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PostPosted: 19:24 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

personally i dont think that animation is 100% accurate, we need more info here, did you enter the roundabout on the left hand side? then as he went to exit, did you over take him? Then he changed his mind and undertook you knocking you off?
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PostPosted: 19:25 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoever was on the roundabout had the right of way, irrespective of being in the correct lane or not
Person first on the roundabout has the right of way

It would go 50 50 if claimed through insurance, as he should have looked before changing direction, but he was on the roundabout first so had right of way

Never ever trust indication or lane positioning as an indication of direction, especially when on a bike
In a car it is annoying when someone hits you, on a bike it can be a whole lot worse

Even if he was indicating into your side road, if you pull out, and he hits you it was your fault as he was on the main road and you pulled out on him

Assumption really is the mother of all f**k ups on the roads



Hope your wounds heal and your bike fixes up okay Thumbs Up

Remember if you get any weird pains or aches get checked by a Dr, even if it means a trip to A & E
Doesnt take much to dislodge something that can cause internal problems
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I didn't calrify that I never hit him. He swerved towards me and I pulled my brakes and slid off.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

This picture clearly demonstartes the line that is used by traffic around the roundabout.

https://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a376/ms51ves3/MycrashMSpaint.jpg

I used the exact same line as the cars in the image.
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PostPosted: 20:36 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you didn't collide I think it will all depend on the BMW's driver statement.
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The BMW driver said he only saw me fall and said it looked nasty, he didn't see what the Corolla driver did.
If anything happens I think I have more chance because I'm not the one that broke the law by leaving the scene of an accident with giving my details.
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
The BMW driver said he only saw me fall and said it looked nasty, he didn't see what the Corolla driver did.
If anything happens I think I have more chance because I'm not the one that broke the law by leaving the scene of an accident with giving my details.


You failed to prepare and plan ahead and crashed your own bike.

You forgot to ask for his name?

You'd be asking for a statement off of a bystander that didn't see anything except you fail to control your bike?

You think he's in the wrong?

Accidents happen and no ones holier than whats name, but sometimes just suck it up and put it down to experience rather than pointing the finger of blame at everyone but yourself.
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PostPosted: 20:54 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

But he didnt refuse to give you his details, gave you his reg which can be traced back to him, if you were not happy with this you should of kept asking him for the details.

N reg? I doubt it will have power steering so that could be why he was so far out from the roundabout and not actualy 'suddenly changing direction'. You seem more happy about having an accident more than anything

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PostPosted: 20:56 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect that no blame will be attached to the car driver. He was on the roundabout and had right of way. You entered the roundabout, braked and slid.

I would say you will get absolutely zero from his insurance.
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PostPosted: 21:02 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

EddyJones wrote:
But he didnt refuse to give you his details, gave you his reg which can be traced back to him, if you were not happy with this you should of kept asking him for the details.

N reg? I doubt it will have power steering so that could be why he was so far out from the roundabout and not actualy 'suddenly changing direction'. You seem more happy about having an accident more than anything

Confused


I asked him for his Address and insurance, sure I forgot to ask him for his name but he still should have given it to me. It is an offance to not provide a name Address and phone number at the scene of an accident.

He was pratically at the exit when he changed his mind, he turned his indicator on and made his manouvour without checking. First thing he said when we pulled up was 'I didn't see you' meaning he was not observing.

Clicky He had powersteering. Even if he didn't I'm sure he can negotiate a roundabout.
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PostPosted: 21:04 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

strag wrote:
I suspect that no blame will be attached to the car driver. He was on the roundabout and had right of way. You entered the roundabout, braked and slid.

I would say you will get absolutely zero from his insurance.


If I get zero from his insurance we move on. The damage to the bike isn;t that bad that I can't ride it so it doesn't matter.

My point is I would not have had to brake if he hadn't changed his mind. If I hadn't braked, I wouldn't have slid.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did he commit to the turn off then swing his car back onto the roundabout?
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cant see the corrected picture so i can't see your path. But surely if someone changes there mind at the last minute when there nearly on the exit as is described it could be classed as there fault ? For pulling out on you (or in this case ms51ves3).

Which exit was the car aiming for ? the one you wanted or was he planning on cutting across you to get to another because i would think if that where the cast its his fault. but thats just me
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, he was commited to the turn. He was metres away from the roundabout becoming the road when he decided to turn around.
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PostPosted: 21:49 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
strag wrote:
I suspect that no blame will be attached to the car driver. He was on the roundabout and had right of way. You entered the roundabout, braked and slid.

I would say you will get absolutely zero from his insurance.


If I get zero from his insurance we move on. The damage to the bike isn;t that bad that I can't ride it so it doesn't matter.

My point is I would not have had to brake if he hadn't changed his mind. If I hadn't braked, I wouldn't have slid.


Remember if you inform your insurance then it will be on their records.

Ok, they may not claim against you (Well nobody can) so you won't loose your NCB but it will still hike up your premium.

Like it did with me 2 years ago, on my moped went into the back of someone (yes was my fault totally) but it turns out they never claimed, but yet it is still on my records as a full-fault accident.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

im loving the animation, how do u do that ?
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 15 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

colin1 wrote:
im loving the animation, how do u do that ?


I made the pictures in paint then my sister did something to them to animate it. She likes doing things like that.
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