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PostPosted: 09:45 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: School kids and toilet breaks Reply with quote

I found out last night that at my 8 year olds school, 4 days a week they do not have an afternoon break, during these 2 and a half hour sessions they are allowed to go to the toilet or to the water fountain but if they do they lose 2 minutes of golden time. In essence they are punished for getting a drink or going to the toilet.

Is it just me or is this absolutely disgusting, I can understand the importance of not disrupting classes but to actually punish children for what is a natural bodily function seems ridiculous, and potentially harmful.

You couldn’t do this in a call centre so why is it acceptable for our children!

Has anyone come across something similar before?
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

reminds me of the totalitarian state of a certain bank which begins with the letter H, where we wore tags everywhere that tracked our movements via locked doors everywhere.
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Sounds like another vindication of our decision not to send our kids to the toilets that are state schools.


I didn't have you down as someone who advocated private education - or do you teach them at home?
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PostPosted: 10:32 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:
Sounds like another vindication of our decision not to send our kids to the toilets that are state schools.


Oh you'd love this one, they have this thing called gimmie 5. I first saw this when we went to see the kids in an assembly, kids being kids they all came into the hall, and stood there chattering so the head gave his gimmie 5 symbol by holding one hand in the air which the kids repeated and became silient.

Gimmie 5 relates to the 5 fingers on the hand being the 5 senses and focusing on the teacher.

Sounds ok, but I had seen this very image infront of me before, and last time I saw it it wasnt in a cathlolic school.....

https://www.newsfrombabylon.com/images/articles/02-2003/hitler_youth.jpg
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

powelly wrote:
Oh you'd love this one, they have this thing called gimmie 5.


Sure that really helps their spelling.

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PostPosted: 10:45 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
powelly wrote:
Oh you'd love this one, they have this thing called gimmie 5.


Sure that really helps their spelling.

All the best

Keith


like the 3 R's, reading, riting and rithmatic Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Far as I know there not allowed to do that, They tried that in my secondary school and I was told it was a violation of human rights or something like that. I would have went anyway so would any teen. But thats wrong on a kid, you can do damage by holding it in https://www.fadzter.com/smilies/shame.gif
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

My young son told me that once in class they’re in class… and under no circumstances can they go to the toilet. He spoke out and said no problem I will ask my mum if I can bring in extra boxer shorts and trousers, As I am prepared to wee myself as I cant hold my bladder for very long (boy was 10 at the time) I spoke to the head explaining the boy bladder issues. He said we have rules for all the children, and it can disrupt other pupils. I thought he was taking the piss then (pun time). boy bladder seems ok now a year later. must have been having to hold it in that fixed it Very Happy

Another Rule they have implemented is at Christmas they are not to give cards to friends but put the price if the card in the charity box “for them less fortunate than themselves” my boy said screw that dad my mates come first and they all gave cards out of school…

He said to me, If I want to give money to charity I will, but I don’t want to be told I have too. GOOD LAD.

Catholic school can be a good education. But not always what’s best for the kids.
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats appalling Thumbs Down
I'd be down the school first thing and having a word
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PostPosted: 20:31 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Piss on the head's door handle Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

head wasn't around this morning when i dropped the kids off so I've sent him an email, will update you all when I get a reply.
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PostPosted: 21:56 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats just totally shit if i must say so!

Maybe when they reach high school they can learn to hold it in easier but little kids? They don't have the bladder control of an older person.

When i was at high school (Well year 10 and 11) the boys toilets kept getting vandalised so for about 2 weeks (yes for about 2 weeks!) our toilets were constantly locked. Luckily for me my stepdad was the caretaker so cut me a key Wink
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PostPosted: 00:36 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There was a competition to win a nintendo wii and the competitors had to drink a bottle of water per 15 minutes and the person who lasts the longest without pissing their pants was obviously the winner...anyway a woman died trying to win a nintendo wii. So it is dangerous, I would complain to the school. Obviously use the dangerous card even though the child will probably piss theirselves before dying...but putting that aside, it's just wrong. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 01:19 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Having someone hold it in a bit is very different to putting someone under pressure to drink a hell of a lot of water and hold it in.

This thread seems a very stark contrast to the opinions in another thread:-

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=136435&highlight=brown

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PostPosted: 01:30 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
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Having someone hold it in a bit is very different to putting someone under pressure to drink a hell of a lot of water and hold it in.

This thread seems a very stark contrast to the opinions in another thread:-

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=136435&highlight=brown

All the best

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I understand this Kieth but regardless, taking away such...basic priveleges really, from a child...is not the UK culture and should not be enforced. I once asked to leave the classroom because I told my teacher I was about to pass out he told me I couldn't, I asked again, politely, no he said, so i walked out...I made it a good 2 meters before I passed out and hit my head on the floor.
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PostPosted: 07:07 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hetzer wrote:


We teach them at home. Which is why they don't swear like troopers, they do as they're told, and can read and write. Hopefully, later, they won't be vandalising stuff and mugging old grannies when they're out and about.


Not having a go but don't you think it might mess them up socially when do they interact with other kids?


I remember when I would at school we just to get points for doing good things, they started a scheme where the bad kids that got lots of detentions got extra points if they didn't get detentions, I got told the stop causing trouble when I asked why didn't kids that where being good already didn't get extra points.
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I found out last night that at my 8 year olds school, 4 days a week they do not have an afternoon break, during these 2 and a half hour sessions they are allowed to go to the toilet or to the water fountain but if they do they lose 2 minutes of golden time. In essence they are punished for getting a drink or going to the toilet.

Or you could see it that the kids that go to the toilet or get a drink in their 'golden time' (whatever that is) get equal rights to those who don't plan ahead and take time out of class.
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PostPosted: 09:30 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We teach them at home. Which is why they don't swear like troopers, they do as they're told, and can read and write. Hopefully, later, they won't be vandalising stuff and mugging old grannies when they're out and about.


Mine don't get taught at home and don't behave badly either. They can also read and write very well - it's not necessarily true that homeschooling gives a child a better education, especially if the parent is uneducated themselves - I know someone who homeschools whose kids are totally out of control. Confused
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that's an appalling policy. Basically if a child does have a bladder problem, they are singled out?

It's a difficult one though - I know some schools find the constant toilet breaks disruptive to lessons, I don't know what the solution is.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

konsoli wrote:
I understand this Kieth but regardless, taking away such...basic priveleges really, from a child...is not the UK culture and should not be enforced.


Depends to what extent it is done. For those with a real issue I would expect them to make occasional exceptions. But not for everyone all the time.

People complain enough about teachers having no power and not being able to do anything about those they are in charge with, yet at the same time there seems to be an expectation that any Tom, Dick or Harry can disappear out to the loo when they feel like it. Of course that would further undermine what little control the teachers are left with, especially when the more disruptive elements start to play on it.

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I once asked to leave the classroom because I told my teacher I was about to pass out he told me I couldn't, I asked again, politely, no he said, so i walked out...I made it a good 2 meters before I passed out and hit my head on the floor.


Would you believe someone who said they are about to pass out? And it would seem that getting up to walk was not the best thing to do anyway.

All the best

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PostPosted: 11:12 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or you could see it that the kids that go to the toilet or get a drink in their 'golden time' (whatever that is) get equal rights to those who don't plan ahead and take time out of class.


Golden time is the last half an hour on friday where the kids who have behaved get to do fun stuff and those that have "lost golden time" get to carry on working.

This is why its such a big deal for young kids to lose it, not sure I could hold my bladder till friday afternoon. Laughing
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:49 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Got a reply back from the headmaster today which is rather long winded but confirms that children who want water or the toilet during class time are indeed given a penalty of 2 mins golden time.

the headmaster wrote:
it enables us to develop in our children the ability to make an informed choice


To me it allows children who are planning on messing about to make an informed choice where as a child that has a genuine need is punished.

This isnt an informed choice this is hobsons choice.

the headmaster wrote:
This in my opinion helps children to develop their independence without causing them unnecessary stress


I have a nine year old daughter who's body is already starting to change, sooner or later she's going to need the loo and she's going to need the loo when her body tells her not when breaks allow.

I'm not sure if Im going over the top here but this does seem to only punish the well behaved kids and that to me is wrong, im also surprised at the number of adults (not only on here but on a forum my Mrs uses too) who had no idea this is what happened at school.

I'm tempted to write to the local education authority and raise this issue with them.
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats bull shit answers from the Head, They are teaching children not training puppies Rolling Eyes write to the education board! You are not going over the top going to the toilet is not a privilege you know.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm not sure if Im going over the top here but this does seem to only punish the well behaved kids and that to me is wrong, im also surprised at the number of adults (not only on here but on a forum my Mrs uses too) who had no idea this is what happened at school.

I'm tempted to write to the local education authority and raise this issue with them.


I don't think you're going over the top at all mate. After reading this thread I went and asked my little sis (6 yr old) if this happened at her school, and I just got the answer (exact words) "Of course not, if we need to go to the toilet we need to go to the toilet". This just goes to show that my 6 yr old sis, and most probably all other kids for that matter, are a darn sight more intelligent than the headteacher at your kids school.

Write to the local authorities, and as dragonfly said, going to the toilet isn't a privelage, so getting punished for it is disgraceful.
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