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Jamie S
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow.. Reply with quote

No doubt my dad will find out more in work tonight, but it seems the plane lost it's rear undercarriage ! Not something that happens every day , and very bad to happen on a 6 year old plane!
Thats boeing for you , Airbus A318,A319 and the A320, FTW... Wink
The crew did well getting every one off safely though.

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/7194086.stm
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PostPosted: 18:04 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

As it landed on the grass 100m short of the runway, at BA's home airport, in good visibility, I suspect there's a lot more to it (like loosing power to both engines - it should be able to land comfortably on one).
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PostPosted: 18:06 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one is really sure what happened yet.

Passengers on plane said there wasn't anything untoward just before impact, so who knows what happened.
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PostPosted: 18:09 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

dmahon wrote:
As it landed on the grass 100m short of the runway, at BA's home airport, in good visibility, I suspect there's a lot more to it (like loosing power to both engines - it should be able to land comfortably on one).


A Virgin pilot leant in a nicked the keys from the ignition Wink .

Seriously think you are right. There is a comment there about electrical failure. Whether that is just referring to the engines or whether than caused the undercarraige not to lock is another question. Although I suppose entirely possible that the pilot left lowering the undercarrage to the last moment to reduce drag and increase their chances of reaching the runway safely.

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PostPosted: 18:13 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow.. Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
Thats boeing for you , Airbus A318,A319 and the A320, FTW... Wink


They just flie into trees, lol

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hBKFoTVgGFg
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dad will more than lightly find out what the cause was before it's released to the media ect, news like this travels quickly through the aircraft manufacturing industry, so as soon as he knows any thing I will be able to comment on it, I suspect it's going to be a few days at least before they can ever hazard a guess at what caused it though.
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

'JS man on the inside @bcf' !!

We're all so lucky to have you for these things mate.. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Airliner crash-lands at Heathrow.. Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
jamie stokes wrote:
Thats boeing for you , Airbus A318,A319 and the A320, FTW... Wink


They just flie into trees, lol

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hBKFoTVgGFg


IIRC that was an un manned plane.

This however, was just pure pilot stupidity, testing the engines of a BRAND NEW plane , and he forgets to put the brakes on.

Result, one smashed plane.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=eQertnjhaz4&feature=related
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PostPosted: 18:37 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

where does your dad work jay chester ?
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PostPosted: 18:55 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

XlonewolfX wrote:
News just said it "theres talks of power failure" no one i know works with planes either.
Laughing


I flew out of LHR on Tuesday evening. I even asked to have a window seat and was looking out the window, but I saw nothing that could prove useful. Sorry folks... Sad
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
XlonewolfX wrote:
News just said it "theres talks of power failure" no one i know works with planes either.
Laughing


I flew out of LHR on Tuesday evening. I even asked to have a window seat and was looking out the window, but I saw nothing that could prove useful. Sorry folks... Sad

LMAO i put that as a joke, but it wasnt funny so i deleted it walloper!!! Nvm lol.
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick606 wrote:
where does your dad work jay chester ?

He does indeed.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
nick606 wrote:
where does your dad work jay chester ?

He does indeed.


Zoological Park/Gardens?
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:


Zoological Park/Gardens?


Don't know what you are on about so... Confused

He works for Airbus uk , in Broughton.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Erm, Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:


IIRC that was an un manned plane.



No it wasn't.


The crash in the youtube clip was an airbus A320 at an airshow in France in 1988. The aircraft was supposed to be making a flyby.
The pilot claims the highly automated control system on the A320 failed to respond properly to commands. The official investigation blamed pilot error as the cause, but it was later revealed that the aircrafts black boxes had been switched after the crash.
There were 136 people on board, 3 died.

I worked in the aircraft industry for 20 years. And from my experience inside news doesn't travel fast, unfounded uniformed rumours do.
I worked on undercarriage components (oops) on a variety of Airbus models, and later worked on Boeing wing components.
Given the choice of Aircraft i'd pick Airbus everytime.
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Knowing that the engine nacelles on the 777 are AS big as a 737 fuselage and the pylons buckled in a manner like that, i'm thinking it must have been one major fuck up.

When i first saw the news at 3 today, i was like - how can one of the most advanced passenger airliners just cock up like that.

Sure, these planes are flying along the glideslope and homing in on the localiser. Since aircraft nowadays can almost land this way using the ILS method, i would assume that the guidance or electronics cocked up somehow or there was a glitch in the software that set the altitude too low on the glide slope for the approach - BUT having said that, it's BA's home field so they'd all be accustomed to the approach. Captain must be pretty senior to fly the 777's so i doubt its pilot error as well.

With the ever increasing presence of digital assistance in aircraft nowadays, do we wonder how safe it actually is? Now that might be a 777 carrying 150 odd, but imagine if it was flying PAX OR even worse, a fully loaded A380!
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Erm, Reply with quote

Owdamer wrote:
jamie stokes wrote:


IIRC that was an un manned plane.



No it wasn't.


The crash in the youtube clip was an airbus A320 at an airshow in France in 1988. The aircraft was supposed to be making a flyby.
The pilot claims the highly automated control system on the A320 failed to respond properly to commands. The official investigation blamed pilot error as the cause, but it was later revealed that the aircrafts black boxes had been switched after the crash.
There were 136 people on board, 3 died.


Hmm kind correct. On my way to Greece a number of years ago i had the great pleasure of riding in the cockpit of an A320.
I mentioned this particular accident to the co pilot and he explained the reason behind what happened.

The A320's clever computer sensed the plane was landing and went into an automated landing phase, the pilot tried to recover but the plane thought IT knew best and refused to throttle up.
It would appear the French crash was a software issue which was since rectified with an overide facility.

YES, my time in the cockpit was extremely unusual, maybe the length of time was due to the fact i was genuinely interested in how it worked.
I have a MAJOR fear of flying but wouldn't hessitate getting onboard another Airbus, the wizzardry involved in the electronics is mind bending.
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PostPosted: 21:03 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Erm, Reply with quote

Johnny GSX-R wrote:

The A320's clever computer sensed the plane was landing and went into an automated landing phase, the pilot tried to recover but the plane thought IT knew best and refused to throttle up.
It would appear the French crash was a software issue which was since rectified with an overide facility.


That would probably explain the black box being tampered with.
The A320 was a brand new state of the art airliner and a lot of money was invested in it. The very suggestion of anything other than pilot error could have been catastrophic to EADS and BAE Systems.
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PostPosted: 21:31 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ony put a tenners worth of fuel in but fuel prices have gone up so the Tenner doesn't go as far...................... about 100m not far enough.
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Titz wrote:
With the ever increasing presence of digital assistance in aircraft nowadays, do we wonder how safe it actually is? Now that might be a 777 carrying 150 odd, but imagine if it was flying PAX OR even worse, a fully loaded A380!


With utmost respect my learned friend, I believe that the instrumentation is vastly superior to human pilot abilities.
It is there mainly to free his effort up to attend to other matters. (Such as deciding which pub he's taking one (or more) of the hot passengers/cabin staff to drinks and later sex. Male or female, as the airline industry has no barriers in that dept.)

If you count the number of flights around the world then instruments, on the whole, contribute to massive improvements in safety.

The frequency of incidents due to equipment malfunction may be better landed (no pun) at the feet of maintenance crews and or their respective budgets. (Set by accountants in a bid to squeeze max profit for Boardroom/Planet Owner types pension funding and salary bonus.)

BA had a famous near miss on a 747 in 1982

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9

"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress." Capt. Moody

And another thing: Most accidents happen near 'The Home'. BA home is LHR. Shocked
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
[BA had a famous near miss on a 747 in 1982



Managing to land on 3 engines. Shocked Laughing

It reminds me of the famous story of an F15 pilot wanting to land his shaged plane. Wink

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A military pilot called for a priority landing because his single-engine jet fighter was running "a bit peaked." Air Traffic Control told the fighter pilot that he was number two, behind a B-52 that had one engine shut down. "Ah," the fighter pilot remarked, "The dreaded seven-engine approach."

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