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PostPosted: 23:24 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: I never get affected by anything, till now...Update Reply with quote

Well im usually the most laid back guy you will ever meet. Nothing has ever phased me in lifes decisions. Nothing has ever seem to bother me. I dont get angry or sad much, just usually a jolly guy. Now though, ive just heard the first thing to make me stop and think.

My ex/fuckbuddy/best girl mate is pregnant, which is aparently mine. Shocked

Thats pretty fucking scary stuff.

I can tell she wants it, though shes only 18 and crap pay. She said its my choice though, which for me is good but i cant make the decision on my own can i?

I couldnt afford to bring up a kid, im only 19 myself, just got a loan for a bike and still living at home with only an low to average payin job (less than £20k). The most important bit of it though is, im pretty sure i dont want to be with her.

She said if she was to have it, i can have as much or as little to do with it as i want. Isnt there a minimum you have to pay though if your not together? I have no idea on the workings of child upbringings!

I would love a kid later in life, but i want to live my life before bringing up another!

Im just a bit confused at the moment. Random tired rambalings from a kid who dont want to tell his parents what hes done Sad I dont even know the point of posting this, just had to get it off my chest i spose?

Oh well, thanks for listning.

Shes having a scan twomorrow and im seeing her this weekend, so ill let you know on the outcome.

I think i know what the answers are going to be, but what would you do?

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PostPosted: 23:31 - 17 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

heavy shit.

i'll think of you next time the idea of sex outside a stable relationship appeals.

I cant give any advice, but hope you make the right decision, whatever that is.

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PostPosted: 01:43 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 02:09 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Run for the hills.

Nah, seriously, there's no solid advice anyone can give I wouldn't have thought, it comes down to what you and her want. Ultimately, it is her decision, consider yourself reasonably lucky (even if you don't feel it) that she at least seems to be bringing you in on this. Although this does mean there's a good chance she'll be dragging you into it when it gets difficult.

Is she sure that it's yours? I'd be very certain of it if you're considering paying child maintenance fees...

If neither of you feel ready for a kid, I say this to everyone in this situation and no bugger ever listens, consider having it adopted. Give the little'un, and some desperate wannabe parents, a chance. You might just make their lives.
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PostPosted: 02:39 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree with what he (dave) said up there.

If both of you are not in a position then make the right choice. If you and her cannot provide for a child then do the right thing. Its not fair to either of you, or the child to "struggle" though.

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You can man up and do the best u can. 20k a year isnt too bad matey.

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PostPosted: 02:45 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only takes a second to put a bloody rubber on mate. Fucking hell.
DNA test here you come.
If it was me mate i would of used the protection, then if she got pregnant anyway, i'd bring the kid up as my child, because thats what i would like if i was born, a father, and a mother a family regardless of age.
If your not gunna take resposeability for your actions keep it in your pants. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 05:59 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You clearly don't want it or the responsiblity of it tell her exactly how you feel, but if she decides to keep it step up and be a man and look after it.
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PostPosted: 06:14 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If she's asking for your input and you do not want the child then you should maybe consider abortion whilst still in the early stages.

If she is dead set against the idea then your input really is limited to how you can support her.

If the latter is the case the YOU need to get a DNA test. If she was a casual fuck buddy then realistically the child could be anyone's and its not fair laying the responsibility at your feet if you are not the father. Of course if you ae the father then it is very much your responsibility.

My heart goes out to both of you.
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PostPosted: 06:33 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I can tell she wants it, though shes only 18 and crap pay. She said its my choice though, which for me is good but i cant make the decision on my own can i?


Its OK her saying I'm not bothered what you think, but when money is tight guess where she and certain agencies are heading....

That child will change your life no matter what you think now, once you have seen it.

You really need to sit down together and talk it out to a decision. I don't particually agree with terminations just for the sake of it, but this could ruin 2 lives for a long time to come.

Also most of the country are sub 20K and manage.
You are single living at home on that, I'm married with a morgage and live on 15K... So you have plenty of disposable income.
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PostPosted: 06:59 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately that was a chance you took with neither of you using contraception.

Ultimately the decision as to what happens now is hers, but if she does continue with the pregnancy then if I were you I would insist on a DNA test as soon as possible after baby is born.

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PostPosted: 08:21 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing that strikes me is that you say *apparently yours*. Do you doubt it is? If you do, you need to clear this up fast. You will end up resenting her and the baby otherwise, and if you did make a go of it, that's no way to start a relationship, especially since you are not sure you want to be with her anyway.

If you are honest with her and tell her you don't want to be with her, you mjay find she has an abortion anyway- she may have been hoping for the happy ending with you.....

You are doing the mature thing by asking for advice, but I have to say I'd not want to go through having a child at the age of 20 again, it's a long hard road to travel, and it changes everything. Speak to your family too, I hope you manage to work things out, best of luck to you.
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PostPosted: 08:28 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bah ,

DNA test when its born , if its yours , take responsibility and give her 1/4 - 1/3 of your pay cheque else the CSA may impose something MUCH worse on you.

You live by then pork sword you die by it.

Not to generalise but almost ALL my mates from school/college were trapped like this, the first GF they met invariably got pregnant , it was usually very shortly after he decided to get rid of condoms and she went on the pill, and conveiniently forgot to take it for a week.

Perhaps out of a circle of 23 , only 4 of us don't have children.
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PostPosted: 09:18 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bet we see you on Jeremy Kyle in about 11 months.

Be prepared to sell up on a lot of things to fund it.

Gonna have to stop acting like a kid now and do some serious growing up, kids are not toys, they are human beings so require a huge responsibility.

That's why at the moment, I use protection. Thumbs Up Wink
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me and my missus had a scare a couple of weeks about, we were both shitting bricks for want of a better phrase. All was ok in the end though, she was just getting worried over nothing.

I'm 19 too, so she's both at uni, you've got to abort it or you'll be ruining your life before it's truely begun. I'm sure I'll get flamed, but you'll be ruining both your lives and it's really not worth it. You'll both have plenty of time later on in your life when you're both in stable employment/relationship(s).

Talk her round, it's not something you want hanging over your head. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the contrary, me and Shell had a mini scare about 3 months back.

We are both at uni and worked out that we would cope, i'd just have to try extra hard to get my qualifications and i'd have to get a part-time job whilst at uni.

Don't think we'd ever consider abortion. I'm not sure I morally agree with it anyway, if you don't want a baby then use protection.
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Im a guy that doesnt get affected by anything, till now. Reply with quote

Hi

Tough one. Sorry to hear about the situation. Unfortunatly it is her choice, and one that (due to the protective way the mind / body works) she is not best able to decide unemotionally at the moment.

Groovearmada wrote:
Isnt there a minimum you have to pay though if your not together? I have no idea on the workings of child upbringings!


Realistically if she goes through with it you (nor her) will have any real choice over how much you have to pay.

All the best

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PostPosted: 10:58 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Im a guy that doesnt get affected by anything, till now. Reply with quote

Groovearmada wrote:

My ex/fuckbuddy/best girl mate is pregnant, which is aparently mine. Shocked

Thats pretty fucking scary stuff.

I can tell she wants it, though shes only 18 and crap pay. She said its my choice though, which for me is good but i cant make the decision on my own can i?


Hmmmmm. Your choice to have it terminated? She is the one who has to have it done. Have no illusions, the doctor will try and prevent the termination, it will not be easy forcing her to go through with it.

I had a similar scare about 6 years ago (jesus is it really that long!), my missus (who I am still with) was pregant. We had only been together four months. I was effectively insisting on a termination, we went to the docs and everything, but they were really obstructive.

My lady didn't want to have it done, and I had pretty much decided to not force her. Then she miscarried. I think the stress had a lot to do with that.

If you do decide to go for the termination, then it will not be easy.

Groovearmada wrote:
She said if she was to have it, i can have as much or as little to do with it as i want. Isnt there a minimum you have to pay though if your not together? I have no idea on the workings of child upbringings!


Its gonna be difficult determining how much you have to do with it - you will inevitably feel responsible, and, depending on how much of a cunt you are prepared to be, you will feel compelled to take care of your child.

Groovearmada wrote:
I would love a kid later in life, but i want to live my life before bringing up another!

Im just a bit confused at the moment. Random tired rambalings from a kid who dont want to tell his parents what hes done Sad I dont even know the point of posting this, just had to get it off my chest i spose?

Oh well, thanks for listning.

Shes having a scan twomorrow and im seeing her this weekend, so ill let you know on the outcome.


If this is a 20 week scan then you are cutting it fine for a termination, as the limit is 24weeks. Such a late termination is fucking nasty as far as I'm aware - I think it may even be a surgical procedure.

If I was in your shoes, I would try and have her terminate. Its selfish, but you sometimes have to be. You will have learned a very important lesson.

If that is a no-go, you need to man the fuck up and take responsibility for your actions. That means assisting fully in the bringing up of the child. Money is no substitute for involvement.

This is not the end of the world, it can be worked through. Just think, by the time you're 38 the child will be independent, and you can enjoy your life whilst others are grappling with toddlers.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: 10:59 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an idea for a buisness, 'Frozen Pops'.

A mobile sperm collection bus as it were, some private cubicles to produce with wipe clean LCD TV's, laminated girly or manly mags and a cup. I'd give you £20 for your time (theres money to be made in fluid).

After a little more research the major problem is that the register for sperm donors is no longer secret or autonomous, this then means that if you'd donate some sperm that then produces in a child, in theory you may then be liable for support and financial upbringing of that child as it may be traced back to you by a paper trail.

Whether you are in or out of the relationship with the young lady then you do have a responsibility and should provide something for their future.

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PostPosted: 14:47 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if she said to you that its "your choice" then shes hoping youll say abortion. Other wise shes have said, im keeping it, but you can stay away.

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PostPosted: 16:56 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
DNA test when its born , if its yours , take responsibility and give her 1/4 - 1/3 of your pay cheque else the CSA may impose something MUCH worse on you.


Wrong. It is 15% of net pay. So if i clear a grand then I give my Ex £150 towards the upkeep of our son

As an aside things like random clothes (every so often I go all soft when out shopping), Vouchers for shoes and food when we are out together are seperate from that.

Right, scanning down the thread I seem to be the only person here who can tell you the worst case scenario for all of your options.

You can

Walk away, and always know you walked away on your Child. V. Hard to live with.

Have the chld terminated. Nearly destroyed me at 25

Split with the girl, fight in courts and spend an MV Augusta in Court fees during the first year. Wind up seeing the child once a month for between three and five hours. Try not to think about it too hard between visits.

I can tell you now that whatever you do WILL be the wrong thing, so you'd better get comfortable with that right now. Regardless of what you choose to do it will close doors to you that will never be open again.




Also you need to make a decision soon, real soon the longer you leave it the more pysched out your FB will get even if she does like you right now.

If you choose to be there. Then be there, you don't have to gdate the FB just be friends with her and be supportive where you can. #

Get your name on the BIRTH CERTIFICATE

By the way, that kicked in the balls feeling dosn't go away - you just get slightly better about dealing with it.

The only thing you can do is clear your mind of everything, not the easiest thing to do right now and then make a decision.

Now might be the time to speak with your family, it may be your parents will have some good advice for you, or at least be able tio give you the emotional support you need right now.

Whatever you decide I wish you good luck.




Oh and for all the sanctimonius people bashing the poor kid when he is already knocked down Middle Finger Middle Finger

No form of contraception is 100% effective except not having sex, and even then there are documented examples of preganancy
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PostPosted: 17:31 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

No matter what you think, you must bear in mind that abortions are not straight forward for some women. It is not just a case of 'get rid of it'. The way some of you are talking makes it appear to be very simple, but it isn't.

I cannot talk from personal experience, but have had friends who have gone through it and it can leave a very large permanent psychological scar. Plus there are physical implications also.

Whatever you decide together (and there is no right or wrong decision, whatever you chose will be the right decision), you need to be respectful, supportive and consider all implications of your decision and actions.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:


Wrong. It is 15% of net pay. So if i clear a grand then I give my Ex £150 towards the upkeep of our son



I did say MAY , although somewhat anedotal I've heard of some horror stories , quite a few came up at the reunion I had last year.

EDIT I just had a look , it says net pay, ie after tax , doesn't consider ANY out goings at all.

Kal wrote:

No form of contraception is 100% effective except not having sex, and even then there are documented examples of preganancy


Depends , some people think condoms are good others IUD etc, however 110% effective is my personality, years and years of being gunned down by women I like and not being in a long term relationship oh for years now, has made me completely undateable and thus my genes are utterly doomed.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Im a guy that doesnt get affected by anything, till now. Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
Groovearmada wrote:
Isnt there a minimum you have to pay though if your not together? I have no idea on the workings of child upbringings!


Realistically if she goes through with it you (nor her) will have any real choice over how much you have to pay.


She has the choice - she can say she doesn't know who the father is. Otherwise the CSA takes a maximum of 15% for the first child (less if you look after him/her so many nights a week, if your income is low, or if you have other children to look after). The details are on their website.
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PostPosted: 19:44 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Im a guy that doesnt get affected by anything, till now. Reply with quote

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She has the choice - she can say she doesn't know who the father is.


If she can stand against the pressure to say, and put up with the stigma of it.

All the best

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PostPosted: 19:51 - 18 Jan 2008    Post subject: Re: Im a guy that doesnt get affected by anything, till now. Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:

If she can stand against the pressure to say, and put up with the stigma of it.

All the best

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Stigma? , how archaic and quaint!.

Its like being on the dole somebody told me about their experiences of working in Haringay council , and said people called in and were proud to be on the dole as a career.
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