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PostPosted: 13:39 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Ron Paul Reply with quote

Ok.....can someone enlighten me where this bloke sprang from?

And also, is he going to be assisinated?
He's got far too much common sense. Confused

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PostPosted: 14:05 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I havnt a clue who he is but I thought it was Ron Jeremy for a second. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 15:11 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's a Republican candidate for the 2008 elections. I believe he was a Senator for many years, after being a practicing GP before that.

His pro-liberty, traditionalist stance has seen him raise millions recently, gaining grass roots support throughout the US.

At first, he was a rank outsider with no hope. Now he's gaining increased support who knows what may happen. I also believe he accepts that 'those who really run things' may not allow him to live if he gets too popular.

Basically his stance is against everything the Bush administration stands for. He wants the troops home to guard the borders, he wants to get back to the gold standard monetary system, he wants to remove many of the police-state measures recently installed over there, etc etc..

Guess what? You, and many others hadn't heard of him, and that's not by accident.

So in summary, a good guy but will they allow him a fair shot?
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 10 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Kris said, he appears to be an honest, sane, decent politician.

So if there was any kind of sanity across the pond then he'd be leading the polls and heading for the white house right now.

Sadly, the Americans are a bunch of morons, and their vote counting system doesn't seem to be all that water tight. Not that Bush and all of his family and friends are the most corrupt political cancer the world has ever seen, or anything.
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 11 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ron Paul is not perfect, I don't agree with his environmental views (he believes that a person's property is theirs to pollute as much as they wish).

But Ron Paul is by far the least evil of all the American politicians. He won't get the Republican nomination though, because the media silence around him is deafening.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 11 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
he wants to get back to the gold standard monetary system


Is he an idiot then?
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 11 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
Kris wrote:
he wants to get back to the gold standard monetary system


Is he an idiot then?


No , quite clever actually - to have a money that's actually backed , as opposed to worthless paper Wink
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PostPosted: 10:28 - 12 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you KNOW how much gold that would take??

There are estimated to be 35,000 tonnes of 'above ground' gold in official gold stocks - i.e. the national banks of the world. Around 8,000 tonnes is held by the US. At the current price of $25 per gram, this equals $207 billion.

There is over $800 billion dollars in circulation.

This means 'Mr Intelligent' Ron Paul woudl have to buy around 22,000 tonnes of gold to get back on the gold standard - leaving only 5,000 tonnes left for the other countries' national banks.

Do I need to provide further explanation as to why this is completely, and utterly ridiculous?
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 12 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonfly wrote:
I havnt a clue who he is but I thought it was Ron Jeremy for a second. Embarassed


I thought it was a thread about RuPaul... Confused
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PostPosted: 12:48 - 12 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
Do you KNOW how much gold that would take??

There are estimated to be 35,000 tonnes of 'above ground' gold in official gold stocks - i.e. the national banks of the world. Around 8,000 tonnes is held by the US. At the current price of $25 per gram, this equals $207 billion.

There is over $800 billion dollars in circulation.

This means 'Mr Intelligent' Ron Paul woudl have to buy around 22,000 tonnes of gold to get back on the gold standard - leaving only 5,000 tonnes left for the other countries' national banks.

Do I need to provide further explanation as to why this is completely, and utterly ridiculous?


Okay , he doesn't actually "want" the gold standard back - e just wants rid of the private federal reserve and to remove them from the nations currency production .

What his arguement is - is that money used to be redeemable in gold - now it's worthless. There is a private firm ( federal reserve ) which is allocating the currency and regulating it's value etc.. they are the cause of the current recession in america - it's all engineered to finally abolish the dollar and bring in the Amero Wink

It's difficult to explain really but if you get a chance have a look on You Tube and watch the movie " America - Freedom to Fascism " by Aaron Russo - explains it quite a bit as well as interviewing Ron Paul .
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PostPosted: 13:24 - 12 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makaveli_Rydah wrote:

What his arguement is - is that money used to be redeemable in gold - now it's worthless.


Well you give me all of your money if you consider it to be worthless Rolling Eyes

Makaveli_Rydah wrote:
There is a private firm ( federal reserve ) which is allocating the currency and regulating it's value etc.. they are the cause of the current recession in america - it's all engineered to finally abolish the dollar and bring in the Amero Wink

It's difficult to explain really but if you get a chance have a look on You Tube and watch the movie " America - Freedom to Fascism " by Aaron Russo - explains it quite a bit as well as interviewing Ron Paul .


Sounds a bit too much like conspirational claptrap to me. IMO it is better to have a more 'independent' body conduciting monetary policy rather than the government - look how well it has worked in this country over the past decade. Best and last good decision labour ever made.

I hardly think you can entirely blame the current recession entirely on the Federal Reserve.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 12 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well yes it is a conspiracy - not a theory however .

Please take a look at this as i said.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ueEfRXZCVA

Been a while since i watched it but it does make sense .

And yes the current recession can 100% be blamed on the Fed - they orchestrated the collapse of the money so they can consolidate afterwards and buy everything up .

By "they" i mean those that run it - Rockefeller/Morgan/Rothschild - the "eliteists"
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 12 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

Damofo D.O.G. wrote:
Do you KNOW how much gold that would take??

There are estimated to be 35,000 tonnes of 'above ground' gold in official gold stocks - i.e. the national banks of the world. Around 8,000 tonnes is held by the US. At the current price of $25 per gram, this equals $207 billion.

There is over $800 billion dollars in circulation.

This means 'Mr Intelligent' Ron Paul woudl have to buy around 22,000 tonnes of gold to get back on the gold standard - leaving only 5,000 tonnes left for the other countries' national banks.

Do I need to provide further explanation as to why this is completely, and utterly ridiculous?


Under a world govt the gold value could be hard-linked by legislation to the amount of currency needed in circulation, as would happen naturally (market forces etc) if gold were the only acceptable means of buying stuff.

It's because need outstripped demand that gold became unuseable as currency, there simply wasn't enough of it to provide all the coins needed by people.

Governments hoard it because it's the only viable currency in times of crisis, and they need to be able to continue buying stuff for themselves.

And when this civilisation collapses there'll be so much gold available to the survivors that it'll become worthless anyway.

It's only real value to the working man these days is as jewellery, and that's seriously bent. Pay £400 for a gold bracelet and discover it's scrap-value is about a quarter of that.

But there aren't many things more important than the gold standard that politicians need to be addressing, so let the guy crack on.
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PostPosted: 04:15 - 15 Dec 2007    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do wish they would just give it to Giuliani and stop all this twatting about with democracy, voting and stuff. He's so much more interesting. Very Happy

Nothing like a bit of a corruption gossip and scandal to improve the morning newspapers each day.

/tongue-cheek
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PostPosted: 10:26 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confused Well what a suprise. Not.

Ron Paul votes not counted in Sutton, new Hampshire.

The head clerk of the New Hampshire town of Sutton has been forced to admit that Ron Paul received 31 votes yet when the final amount was transferred to a summary sheet and sent out to the media, the total was listed as zero. The fiasco throws the entire primary into doubt and could lead to a re-count.

Election fraud again. How nice.

(Remember Ohio 2004, that won Bush the election? 2 people went to prison as fraud was ADMITTED)

I think the Paul campaign will pay for a re-count, more updates as they come.
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 10 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Makaveli_Rydah wrote:
Well yes it is a conspiracy - not a theory however .

Please take a look at this as i said.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ueEfRXZCVA


Here is the full video

https://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173&hl=en-GB
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.infowars.net/articles/january2008/230108Vaccines.htm

Ron paul speaks out against forced vaccinations and corruption within drug companies and healthcare programmes.
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Hetzer]
It's only real value to the working man these days is as jewellery, and that's seriously bent. Pay £400 for a gold bracelet and discover it's scrap-value is about a quarter of that.
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not really you can buy gold bars you know , but UK law doesn't let you keep them under your bed, and often requires a storage fee os 2.5% , you could have bought gold at around 250$ an oz in 1999 Brown bottom period, and sold it now for $950 an oz.

Gold is also capital gains tax exempt too.
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PostPosted: 14:30 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gold and silver coins seem to me to be a more resonable collection.

Can be bought at near enough spot value too! Wink
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