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Jamie S
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PostPosted: 13:04 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: [HELP!] 2k CLEAR-LACQUER.... ZRX61 maybe ? Reply with quote


2k Lacquer
Does it need heat lamps to dry ?
What sort of finish does it give ? Spray masks ? Ive got a carbon gas filter (Used against vapour from organic substances whose boiling point exceeds +65°C) and particle filter (High performance particle filter class P3. Used against all types of wet and dry particles, such as dust, smoke, aerosols, spray, asbestos, bacteria, viruses and mould) on my mask atm, it's the type that you can add more to, will adding another carbon filter make it safe to use ?
Cheers.


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PostPosted: 13:07 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mask:
Can add as many filters and different types as you want.
What type would I need?

https://www.queenslandsafety.com.au/images/respiratory/Sundstrom_filters_halfmask.jpg
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you need positive pressure rather than a filter?
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have a compressor and spraygun im guessing
since thats the mix for a gun obviously...

Dosnt need heat lamps to dry
but benefits hugely from a heated workshop like s spraybooth and stick it on bake doubt you have that though, stay away from fan heaters they will just blow dust around your workspace into your job.

Gives a nice gloss shine, its a normal laquer just the 2k means its compatible with 2k paint systems. so ye as good as any other.

Masks, your putting yourself at huge risk now.
using one of those masks for paints/laquers with isocyanates in is extremely bad for you, and will give you cancer.
Only way to avoid this, and this is what we do, is if your going to do regular spraying and have a compressor get a air fed visor, expensive but what do you value more, your life or money?
https://www.devilbisseu.com/cat.aspx?id=84 - kind of design we use.

As its not particulates that will harm you its almost the vapour we can say, and that mask you use dosnt protect your eyes either, as isocyanates attack the eyes and go through your tear ducts and also can go straight through skin into your blood stream.

So you have to be extremely careful
What kind of setup you running, workshop/gun/compressor wise atm?
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PostPosted: 15:13 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:

What kind of setup you running, workshop/gun/compressor wise atm?


25ltr, 7.5 cfm, gun is a gravity fed one as I prefer them.
Workshop , well its a doubble bay garage and has room for 4-6 cars, a big space to heat if I was to try and heat it. gets nice and warm in the summer though which is ok for spraying.
Any heaters you could recommend ? Was thinking I could section 1/4 of the garage off with a tarpaulin so that the space around where I spray will heat up quicker?
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think 7.5cfm is just enough, depending on what gun your using and how much your spraying of course,
make sure your using the right needle/aircap setup/fan setup too
Ye HVLP gravity so much easier agreed.
Ok you have enough space easily, We spray at around 25 degrees as paint works well at that kind of temperature, Well any heater that dosnt use a fan, unless your prepared to go round with a brush and sweep the whole garage, and buy some tacky wall coating so the dust that is still around sticks, Otherwise sectioning off with tarp is a good idea, if possible put one above as well as we get alot of dust falling down ontop.

https://www.godfreys-online.co.uk/pageview.php?page=show_product&ecommerce_stockcode=ig1250
halogen heaters which use the heat off the light to warm the whole room, anything that dosnt risk blowing dust or shit into your job unless you want to pound it for ages =]

Hope that helps
Looking forward to your reply/pictures of your work

PS. Why do people not like you on this forum, just looked in the rant section for the first time, and its fucking not on, mean cunts lol

and what are you going to do about the mask issue, as if you ignore it your putting yourself at huge risk =/
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Looking forward to your reply/pictures of your work


Previous work of mine:

https://w3.bikepics.com/pics/2007%5C11%5C29%5Cbikepics-1101781-800.jpg

https://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s297/honda_tlr/Ariel/DSC00807.jpg


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PostPosted: 16:37 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice i must say =]
what gun you using then?
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It has no make wrote on it, it was £15 from a local tool place.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The results look pretty damn amazing
for a low range gun like that well done!

Where you sourcing your paint from
local company mixing it for you?
like hicks?
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
The results look pretty damn amazing
for a low range gun like that well done!

Where you sourcing your paint from
local company mixing it for you?
like hicks?


Thanks.
I bought the paint from a local car shop type place, mixed as close as they could get it to the original.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A question for you,
Do you use inline regulators/filters?

As we had the problem of getting wet paint
through condensation of hot booth and cold air in the air lines etc..
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
A question for you,
Do you use inline regulators/filters?

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PostPosted: 17:17 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Double post =[
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

:O
very resourceful
how much was your lay out then?

Gun -
Compressor -
Air reg/filter -
Lines -
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arrow Lines , free
Arrow gun £15
Arrow Compressor £70
Arrow air reg , free
Arrow couplings , free
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PostPosted: 17:24 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

My brother's a pro and been doing this for 20+ years, I can ask him at some point if you want?

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PostPosted: 17:27 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lines , free
gun £15
Compressor £70
air reg , free
couplings , free

That compressor was cheap
care to link me or tell where as i could do with one for my garage.
and how did u get lines, reg, and couplings all for free :O
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
My brother's a pro and been doing this for 20+ years, I can ask him at some point if you want?

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Hi Toby, if you could that would be great, thanks.
I always thought 2k or "2 pack" was loosely based on cyanide, hence why I asked about masks, if he can confirm/rule out this that would be really helpful.
Google doesn't seem much help, unless I'm spelling it wrong.
Cheers, J.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
That compressor was cheap
care to link me or tell where as i could do with one for my garage.
and how did u get lines, reg, and couplings all for free :O


It's a "tiger 8/40" that machine mart used to make, think they have stopped making it now though and replaced it with a similar model the "tiger"8/44"

I'm not telling you how I got my airlines for free, lets just say my dad helped me out a bit.
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamie stokes wrote:
Toby R wrote:
My brother's a pro and been doing this for 20+ years, I can ask him at some point if you want?

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Hi Toby, if you could that would be great, thanks.
I always thought 2k or "2 pack" was loosely based on cyanide, hence why I asked about masks, if he can confirm/rule out this that would be really helpful.
Google doesn't seem much help, unless I'm spelling it wrong.
Cheers, J.


Yeah, I think it is,

(Wait for someone experienced to confirm this bit)

Basically you need a mask which has a higher pressure inside (Where your face is) than the working environment, this means gas naturally will not want to come into your face mask (Air in your mask would rather escape as naturally the pressure is trying to equalise both sides)

As said before, I /think/ 2k contains some derivative of cyanide that can be absorbed through your ear drums, eyes, mouth, nose, etc.

I'll ask my bro, the reply may take a while tho Very Happy

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PostPosted: 17:40 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
.I'll ask my bro, the reply may take a while tho Very Happy

T


Cheers toby, I'm in no rush, need to get the bikes (cb550s) sorted first, was just trying to make sure I knew what type of paint and masks I needed.
I didn't Lacquer the Ariel, which is why I think that paint is quite easy to chip.
The cb550 frames have both been 2k painted and the finish is really nice, and quite tough, if you could find out anything about 2k base coats as well that would be really helpful, do you think it would be possible to find out any prices to ?
Cheers, Jamie.


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PostPosted: 17:41 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am experianced or moderatly
as said im learning this every week

laquers are the worst for the isocyanates
although breathing in any paint is not peticularlly good for you
if i remember its the hardener which contains the cyanates but the harder is obviously needed in the mixture.

"Don't paint isocyanide products with anything but full protection. Isocyanide attacks the body's involuntary systems, chiefly the central nervous system. Entry is not just through the respiratory system but also through the tear ducts of the eyes and any exposed skin. Initial out-gassing or drying of urethanes is equally hazardous. Failure to use respiratory protection is akin to driving without brakes."
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
laquers are the worst for the isocyanates

Cellulose Laquer doesn't contain any...
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 24 Jan 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
As we had the problem of getting wet paint
through condensation of hot booth and cold air in the air lines etc..

Your water seperator is too close to the compressor so the moisture is still hot when it goes thru the filter/sep unit.. then it cools down between the seperator & the gun causing the problems you have.

Run at least 50ft of steel/iron pipe(sloping away from the compressor) before the seperator to give the air a chance to cool down & allow the water to seperate out. Put a T in the overhead line facing up, with 2 90's going over the top & then down the drop leg. This will stop water thats condensed out in the overhead run from getting into the drop leg.
Put another drop leg at the end of the overhead with just a 90 facing down to allow the water somewhere to go. Put another ball valve on the end of that drop leg.
Put a ball valve on the end of the drop leg to the seperator & connect the seperator via a sideways T fitting about 1ft above the ball valve so the water in that pipe has a change to drain before going thru the seperator.
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