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PostPosted: 13:56 - 04 Feb 2008    Post subject: Lewis Hamilton the Victim of "Racist" taunts. Reply with quote

See here: - https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7225523.stm

Jesus christ, some people are so quick to pull out the race card, people are forgetting that many Spanish people are likely to be jeering him because he outclassed Alonso who is bloody SPANISH not because Hamilton is a very light shade of brown. Rolling Eyes

Complete over-reaction again by the media, well done. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 14:05 - 04 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/motorsport.html?in_article_id=512236&in_page_id=1954

Looks a bit dodgy to me?
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 04 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im sure he drives back to his mansion in his Lambo to have a little cry.
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PostPosted: 14:13 - 04 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some Spanish sports 'fans' have been known to be rather racist. Monkey taunts of football players spring to mind.

However, will reserve judgment until facts emerge. That photo on the Daily Hate link does look rather condemning though... Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 04 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spanish fans being rascist? Surprised Well I never.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 04 Feb 2008    Post subject: Re: Lewis Hamilton the Victim of "Racist" taunts. Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
See here: - https://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7225523.stm

Jesus christ, some people are so quick to pull out the race card, people are forgetting that many Spanish people are likely to be jeering him because he outclassed Alonso who is bloody SPANISH not because Hamilton is a very light shade of brown. Rolling Eyes

Complete over-reaction again by the media, well done. Rolling Eyes



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Yesterday, according the Spanish newspaper Marca, shouts of "puto negro" (f***ing black) and "negro de mierda" (black shit) were clearly heard, and that large sections of the crowd were involved.

From Pitpass


Y'know, I think that might legitimately qualify as a racist. No?
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PostPosted: 16:58 - 04 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Yesterday, according the Spanish newspaper Marca, shouts of "puto negro" (f***ing black) and "negro de mierda" (black shit) were clearly heard, and that large sections of the crowd were involved.

From Pitpass


No! They were clearly aiming those comments towards the Michelins in the pit garage!
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 04 Feb 2008    Post subject: Re: Lewis Hamilton the Victim of "Racist" taunts. Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
Rolling Eyes


There is a picture on that page of a load of blacked up people with 'Hamilton Family' Written on their T shirts.

Do you not find that racist?
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 04 Feb 2008    Post subject: Re: Lewis Hamilton the Victim of "Racist" taunts. Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
Jon B wrote:
Rolling Eyes


There is a picture on that page of a load of blacked up people with 'Hamilton Family' Written on their T shirts.

Do you not find that racist?


Is there a difference between that and people at a football match wearing ginger wigs saying "Gordon Strachan's family" or people dressing up as fat people at a pop concert with T-shirts saying "Michelle McManus' family".

Surely there is a difference between dressing up and mimicking people and being racist? What if they did want to mimic him and take the piss a bit? Would they have to do it leaving their skin white, because taking the piss out of black people is not allowed, but ginger people, fat people, stupid people etc etc is all ok?
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should be fine to take the piss out of black people for looking like they do.....pasty skinny white fuckers are funny to.

PMSL! I hadn't looked at that second link Laughing Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Surely there is a difference between dressing up and mimicking people and being racist? What if they did want to mimic him and take the piss a bit? Would they have to do it leaving their skin white, because taking the piss out of black people is not allowed, but ginger people, fat people, stupid people etc etc is all ok?


I think its the connotations that come alongside dressing up like a Golliwog and having 'Hamiltons Family' written on a T-shirt. Its akin to saying Hamilton/his family are a bunch of cotton picking, rubber lipped niggers.

If you cannot see the connotations there then I'd suggest your fucking stupid. I can't believe you actually used the word 'mimicking', as if his family regularly paint themselves in fucking boot polish before chanting like a fucking bunch of monkeys.

Wearing a ginger wig and 'Strachans Family' could be seen as offensive however its unlikely since I don't recall the last time the was the hanging of a red head by us God Fearing White Folk.

Besides that, you have to consider the intention of the act. Is it meant with malice? Well I'd say it was, if there are members of the crowd dressed up like wogs and chanting 'black shit'.

Jon B, I can't believe your as naive as think that is not racist behaviour either. Your normally so PC you need re-educated Laughing

This is nothing like the racist card being played due to a nursery rhythm or when the council issues 'black bags'.
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Saw it on the news last night, they might be cancelling the Spanish F1 forever more because of this.



Admittedly, the spaniards can go and fvck themselves.


But so can Hamilton, stop being a baby and get on with it.


Then suddenly Rio Ferdinand was on the TV at a conference, pleading for racism to stop, and for punishments to be doled out. Fair enough, but why him? If Hamilton was so bothered, shoulda done it himself. *shrugs*
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree that there is no place for racism, but you have to admit.. where do you draw the line?

What makes one thing ok, and another not ok?
How would you suggest they dress up if they wanted to make themselves look like Hamilton? Or is it not ok to dress up as a black person?

What if there was a group of people stood next to them with strings of garlic round their neck and painting black moustaches on, would that be in the same league as they would also be taking the piss out of a specific group of people, namely the French.

Or is every thing ok, as long as you don't paint your skin?


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PostPosted: 10:06 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is fucking brilliant, not sure how it's racist taunts though, the blacked up people in the t-shirts are clearly fans of his.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The picture of the people with the shirts and black faces were not on the BBC site when I first saw the news story, so I could only interpret what was put to me. Spanish sports "fans" have a reputation for being racist, but on the surface I suspected it was just jeering cause he didn't have a great relationship with his Spanish team-mate.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay, are you like ten years old and still being spoon fed?
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
Shay, are you like ten years old and still being spoon fed?


No.. I'm actually thinking the same of you. You are being spoon fed by the media as to what is racist and what isn't.

I'm asking a legitimate question for which you have no answer. Where do you draw the line with taking the piss and dressing up as other people?
I'm not defending or supporting anything, but am interested in where you stand regards the differences between painting yourself black and wearing a ginger wig and painting yourself white.

If Scotland were playing a game in Africa and some African supporters painted themselves white and wore ginger wigs, would they be racist. Or as everyone knows, just be people having a laugh.

Also note that I have not commented on what people were saying, only what they were wearing as someone said they were racist for dressing in the way they had

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There is a picture on that page of a load of blacked up people with 'Hamilton Family' Written on their T shirts.

Do you not find that racist?
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm asking a legitimate question for which you have no answer.


I gave you my answer however you failed to pick up on it.

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you have to consider the intention of the act. Is it meant with malice?



That's where the line is drawn. It is completely different in every single case and just requires a small bit of common sense to work it out. If there is no malice involved then it may not be racist. That's not to say that some will not perceive it as being racist (hello councils trying to ban the 3 little pigs).

However in this case, when people are dressed as golliwogs and chanting malicious things then I do not think it requires a rocket scientist to figure out if the scenario is racist or not.

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some African supporters painted themselves white and wore ginger wigs, would they be racist.


I dare say a lot of people would see that completely differently. People on this forum, myself included, will often speak out when issues like the above happen, pointing to positive discrimination that is very much apparent in the UK.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough about the golliwogs in having negative associations. I guess it would be similar to dressing as a Nazi.

Would you say the following image is 'racist'.
https://lh3.google.com/Arpit.reddevil/RyndZ3ziCzI/AAAAAAAAAE4/YkmoYD9XyTY/clcop.jpg?imgmax=320

After all, it has negative connotations about a specific group of people, suggesting that they are all criminals.
Where do you draw the line between malice and having a joke?

When a fat physio comes on at a football match (trust me.. it happens a lot in the lower leagues Laughing ), should calling them a fat bas**rd be the same offence as calling them a black bas**rd?
The media governs who we see it acceptable to take the piss out of, and who it isn't.

I admit that judging someone because of their race is not acceptable, but the same can be said for a lot of things which people don't get so riled up by.
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PostPosted: 12:12 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Surely it's obvious why racism is of greater concern than calling someone a fat bastard? How many people have been murdered and persecuted due to their weight?
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:
Surely it's obvious why racism is of greater concern than calling someone a fat bastard? How many people have been murdered and persecuted due to their weight?


It's gonna be one of those threads...
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have a white man being told by the police 'You'll have to come up with a better story than that' implying he stole it. Its not racist. Bigoted maybe, but not racist!

Racism is being prejudice against another due to the colour of his skin or the origins of his background (i.e. ethnicity).

Your confusing Racism with Bigotry. Personally I think Darwin's laws saves the government having to interfere when people start testing the tolerance of some big white skin head at a footy match.
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PostPosted: 14:41 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigie b wrote:
Racism is being prejudice against another due to the colour of his skin or the origins of his background (i.e. ethnicity).


Yeah.. assuming he nicked it cos he is from Liverpool.

But I think we are arguing on different points. I am saying that surely just dressing as a black person is not racist, whereas you are saying that dressing as something which has negative connotations towards a certain group of people is racist.. i.e. if a German person dressed as a persecuted jew.. then thats wrong.

The line just needs to be drawn on where its humour and where it goes too far.
Some Liverpudlians will laugh at being associated with being criminals because its just playing on a stereotype, but others might get really offended if they have indeed been picked on because they are Liverpudlian.

But simply dressing up as a Liverpudlian (is that possible) is not 'racist'.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 05 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is not a race called Liverpudlians!!!!!!

Your saying he nicked it because he's from Liverpool, I personally thought it was because most football players are fucking chavs who've scored it lucky! That prejudice but its not racist.

I am saying in this instance, in Spain, with guys dressed as Golliwogs whilst chanting "you fucking black" and "you black shit" then that is considered racist.

If you got dressed up as the golliwog from the marmalade Jars for a fancy dress party then it may be endearing. It depends entirely on your friends.

There's a time and place for nearly anything and individual circumstances dictate that it is impossible to draw a definitive line as to what is considered racist/prejudice/bigoted/sexist. Each case has to be judged by its individual merits as I think we are past the time when racism was a real persecution of coloured people by us white folk.

Malcolm X is a very good read if your interested in the subject of Racism.
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