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Major_Grooves
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Integrated Bluetooth Helmets Reply with quote

I've been surprised over the past few years about the lack of development/discussion/information about bluetooth integrated helmets. I would have thought it would be the sort of thing lots of manufacturers would latch on to, but there didn't seem to be much going on.

From looking around previously your options were one of the Scala units, some fairly ropey looking open-face Italian jobs with huge mics or one expensive then shelved BMW option.

What I want to see is a full-face helmet with integrated mic and speakers and full Bluetooth, such that you can pair up to your pillion or GPS unit without any wires.

At the moment I have a Autocom and TomTom Rider, but to be honest it is such a hassle with all those wires getting on and off the bike that it is barely worth the effort. I wouldn't mind the option to go completely wireless or to plug in to keep charging on the move.

Lo and behold, Dainese are beta-testing such a product! It even has a range of 400m allowing you to speak to other riders. It also looks quite tasty.

https://www.dainese.com/commimg/lancio_casco_infinity_eng.jpg

I'm surprised it has taken a mainstream helmet manufacturer so long to come up with something. Surely this is the future for motorbike helmets? I'm sure this would encourage my g/f to come pillion which would mean a lot more biking for me, without the Autocom hassle.

I wonder if it does AD2P?

Would anyone else get a Bluetooth helmet? Anyone know anything else about them? I must admit I am a sucker for this sort of technology and I appreciate that there are many people who would prefer to keep it real and not have any "voices" in their helmet!

That is one helmet that I would not leave attached to my bike over the weekend at the airport!
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PostPosted: 18:54 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Battery.
Component Location (possible injury)
Naffness... Laughing
Number of folk who give a flying circus about noise fed to their head.

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PostPosted: 19:06 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it offered compatibility with my phone so I could play music (and for this the speakers would have to be of a good clear quality), then I would be interested. Otherwise it is very very rare for me to attempt a phone call on my bike, normally its just a case of me accepting the call and the person on the other end being greeted by the screaming of my engine and a lot of wind noise.

However if it had the music option that would be cool as I would prefer to be able to listen to music without fiddling about with earphone wires (also it gets uncomfortable after a couple of hours in the helmet).
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PostPosted: 19:07 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
Battery.
Component Location (possible injury)
Naffness... Laughing
Number of folk who give a flying circus about noise fed to their head.

.......?


Are those questions or statements? Confused

Battery - yes, shrewd observation there - it would need a battery. Look how small mobile phone batteries are. If the bluetooth connection is permanent and the microphone etc only works when voice activated then it would probably last all day. Also wouldn't be too bad to have option to plug in for a charge, or plug in to adaptor overnight.

Component Location - did you look at the site? Dainese aren't going to make a helmet that could injure you. Everything is integrated. What do you expect - speakers with spikes in the ears?!

Naffness - umm, that was kind of the point. The helmet looks like a normal full face helmet. Not naff.

Number of folk who give a flying circus about noise fed to their head - well, quite a few obviously. The same ones that have Autocom systems or regularly tour or ride with pillions. Also couriers. As I said I know plenty people wouldn't want it, just as there are people who prefer the opposite extreme and want to have music piped into their helmet when they're riding.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a scala rider, they're pretty good.

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PostPosted: 19:10 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Lord, why?

Buy a BMW or something.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:
Good Lord, why?

Buy a BMW or something.


I want to put the helmet on and be able to talk to my girlfriend on the bike (I say want, I mean it's more of a necessity to stop her falling asleep).

I want to put the helmet on and be instantly connected to my GPS unit (yes you can question the merits of having GPS on the bike too).

all without having some extra unit thing to attach the the helmet.

I need some support for how cool this is. Cool Where's Rob when you need him? Razz

edit/ better Dainese website about it here: https://www.beta-zone.dainese.com/eng/dnect/default.asp
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PostPosted: 19:41 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do not design helmets lad, boy, sonny me Jim. Laughing
They were all valid statements with a rhetorical flavour.

You do not use a mobile phones or ipodi between your skull and a hard shell. It would have to be proved that any component built into the helmet did not constitute a risk of injury in an incident.
Manufacturers would not be caught with this. R&D on this will only happen if PLENTY folk want to pay for the pleasure. Just because one's 'circle' likes toons or jibber-jabber does not mean everyone will. Though if it came fitted free, then most would probably not mind having the option.
Lots of folks on here (bcf) don't like having to shell out for bike gear, tools, bikes and cetera so creature comforts would be put to the side.

You could make speakers with spikes in them if you want. But I am not certain what acoustic benefit they would serve so that may be a silly idea. Would you suggest Ferrous or non-ferrous material?

Naff? You have had that operation to remove your humerus I bet.

Sorry for raining on your parade. It was not my intention.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been waiting for similar for a while. Main problem for me is I actually like the Sony Ericsson in the ear head phones for riding in, great sound quality and a sterling job of cutting wind noise.
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walloper wrote:
I do not design helmets lad, boy, sonny me Jim. Laughing
They were all valid statements with a rhetorical flavour.

You do not use a mobile phones or ipodi between your skull and a hard shell. It would have to be proved that any component built into the helmet did not constitute a risk of injury in an incident.
Manufacturers would not be caught with this. R&D on this will only happen if PLENTY folk want to pay for the pleasure. Just because one's 'circle' likes toons or jibber-jabber does not mean everyone will. Though if it came fitted free, then most would probably not mind having the option.
Lots of folks on here (bcf) don't like having to shell out for bike gear, tools, bikes and cetera so creature comforts would be put to the side.

You could make speakers with spikes in them if you want. But I am not certain what acoustic benefit they would serve so that may be a silly idea. Would you suggest Ferrous or non-ferrous material?

Naff? You have had that operation to remove your humerus I bet.

Sorry for raining on your parade. It was not my intention.


That's a bit more informative. Wink Thumbs Up

Anyway, Dainese are pretty good on R&D for new products. The helmet above seems to have been through the whole process from a helmet safety point of view. The beta testing is just to test how the connections actually work in practice.

Humerus wasn't removed. It's just a selective bypass. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:50 - 11 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

In addition:
Since it is difficult to reduce noise inherent in helmets design has to accommodate this. I used autocom in a shoei which did not leave room for my turnip-like head. So this is another area for concern. If speakers compromise shape.
There is flat panel speaker technology but the speakers used moist effectively in helmets need a narrow beam of sound channeled down your lug hole. Flat panels have not reached this level yet and we still need cone type. A speaker is an air pump in reality and the more air it can move the better. Lots of complex reasons.
Not everyone wants it so manufacturers are not really interested.
Dianesse are a bit posh.
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PostPosted: 00:40 - 12 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest, whats wrong with the BMW lids? Too pricey? Not used one myself but a mate swears by his.
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 12 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seb wrote:
Out of interest, whats wrong with the BMW lids? Too pricey? Not used one myself but a mate swears by his.


Well, yeah rather pricey. They also have a particular style that I'm not fond of.

To quote Wallpaper, they're a bit "Naff". Wink

Also, I think their BT helmet was shelved for technical reasons. Not sure if it's available again.

It would be better if more manufacturers tried this. I'm sure they will if it looks like Dainese is doing well from it. Not all helmets fit all heads. I've never tried Dainese, but last time I was buying Arai was the only option open to me.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 12 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wiky:
Naff is primarily British slang and some former British colonies. It has several meanings:

* The word can also be used to describe something that is poorly thought out, doesn't really work, or is otherwise not very good. This usage is similar to that above, but focuses less on aesthetics and more on adequacy to the task. An example might be to say of a poor or irrelevant example offered in an argument that, "That's a really naff example." Another example might be to say, "That remote control has a really naff user interface."


Laughing Karma

Retards,

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