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[MaybeGuy]

so i get my SRAD...
it has a cam chain rattle...
i decide ''rather than sort it myself, as its my only form of transport, i may as well get it done properly'' at least then i have someone to blame if it blows up

fuck if thats going to happen...

i book it in to a garage to have a manual cam chain tensioner installed to replace the automatic stock one that rattles, and have a carb balance.

talking to the guy, he says ''yeaaaa ill have it done in 45 mins''

hmm, ok then.
so there i am, keys in his hand...

i head for the waiting room to send a few texts and read some bike porn.

about 15 mins i hear him trying to start an engine. sounds like the batterys flat, and it gets so low that the solonoid is just pinging.

now, youd think after pinging it once, youd get the idea that it wont start, but no...

''pingpingpingpingpingping''

''than fuck thats not my bike'' i think...

then the guy comes round and says ''your batterys flat mate!''

WTF???

turns out he was working with the ignition turned and the lights on.

now heres the corker.

he puts an external power supply on to start it after fitting the manual CCT, and i hear this CCCRRRRRRRKKKKKRRRRRR followed by a swiftly cut out engine.

so i go and investigate.

i ask for an explaination, as my cam chain has now jumped about 50,0000000 teeth and is stuck somewhere and the engine wont turn at all.

here are his exact words:

''well, i put it in, and did it up to what i saw fit, then turned it over''

thats mechanic speak for ''it was too loose and i fired it up''

he then tried to blame me for ordering the wrong part (got the box here, it says ''GSXR600/750 SRAD/DRZ CAM CHAIN TENS'' on it)

so now ive got no bike until they can ''get round'' to fixing it.
this = months probably.

heres the thing...

what damage is this likely to have caused? my valves wont have liked this abuse too much, and my cam chain certainly wont have, neither will my camshaft teeth.

im thinking i may be needing legal action for this, but hard to say so early on.

so basically, i ask him to do it, asked him to go through a step by step of what he did... turns out he didnt even take off the rocker cover to check the tension. unless your a friggin pro, thats pretty basic checks.

its a motorcycle training centre garage, and they wouldnt give me a courtesy bike to ride home 15 miles on, so i was pretty stranded.

then i get this ''we'll call you about it, but we're going home''

fuckers, fix my bike!

this is the first time ive ever taken my bike to a mechanic, as i prefer to do all my work myself... this bike was an exception as i wanted a proper job done without the temptation to bodge...

and its certainly going to be the last time i use one!

anyone got any ideas as what to do? im left without transport and places to go... and also live in the middla fakkin nowhere.

cheers (enter related phrase here) queers xxx
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[tatters]

If the chain has jumped the valves would go out of timing with the movements of the pistons, so you most likely have bent/mashed valves plus any damaged caused by the loose chain jumping about on the cam sprockets or casings.

very expensive fuck up.
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[TUG]

you just letting them get away with it? Was it a cowboy garage or a manufactures garage?
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[MaybeGuy]

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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[Shay HTFC]

What garage was it?
So we all know where to avoid!

[MaybeGuy]

[Ariel Badger]

Valves bent, seatings ruined, pistons holed, con rods bent, big ends mashed.
Don't you just love mechanics?
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[instigator]

You shouldn't have bothered with a manual tensioner. The automatic one lasts for 20k and is about £40 from Suzuki if that.

Took me about 25minutes to fit (minus the 25mins for me to make a crappy gasket) total piece of piss.

Unlucky. Bet you wish it had sold a month ago now!

[MaybeGuy]

they're being a bit bastardish now...
theyre trying to pin it on me at the mo, saying its my fault.

my tyres have no chicken strips, so theyre trying to imply that ive ragged the engine to within an inch of its life! dont see how this would affect installing a cam chain tensioner.

i want a manual cam chain tensioner because it wont back out, ive heard lots of horror stories about them doing this, and some can last no more than 3000 miles.

heres where they shoot themselves in the foot...

''i dont think any valves are bent, so ill put the manual one in and time that up for you''

so when theyre finished, im going to drop this bombshell...

''why didnt it work first time then?''
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[bladerunner]

Yup I can vouch for the srad CCT going awol. I did fit a std later model one and didnt need to take the cam cover off to check the tension.....but thats because it was an auto adjust !!

As for damage...If it didnt bend \a couple of valves..I'll eat my own socks

even if only slightly bent they wont seat properly and the guides are prob going to be oval now!! If your real unlucky then its a serious amount of damage!! pistons /rods/head etc.

Let us know how you get on but I'd want the head off for a proper inspection and make sure they do a leak and comp test !!!
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[Kickstart]

Hi

Manual CCT is likely to be a pain as it will need to be adjusted regularly. Not sure why makers seem to have forgotten how to make an auto one that works for more than 10 minutes.

Anyway, 2 main options. Either they set the tension too tight which will cause issues (but most likely problems coming to light after being used for some time, but stupidly tight would have strange effects), or too loose at which point it will at best rattle, and at worst have the cam chain jump.

If the cam chain has jumped then 90% likely the valves and pistons have met (small chance that it only jumped a tooth or so, and still had enough clearance to turn over). If they have met then the valves are likely to be bent (again if lucky only 2 on one cylinder if it only turned over until the first impact). If unlucky then there will be damage to the valve guides, pistons, etc (hopefully not likely as this happened when cranking the engine over).

They might choose to set the cam timing / CCT tension and start it up. If it has bent the valves then (if it starts) it will run like a dog, and a compression check should reveal the damage.

Fixing the likely damage will mean taking the head off and replacing the valves (and checking for other damage). Set of valves for my 1200 Bandit from Suzuki would be ~£300 (checked about 5 years ago so probably gone up a bit), and probably another £100 in gaskets.

Frankly if it was ridden there and then died due to the cam chain jumping when they had fitted an item and adjusted the cam chain tension then whether it had been thrashed or not should be regarded as irrelevant. Question is do you trust them to repair the damage that has now occurred.

All the best

Keith
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[stinkwheel]

Thrashing the utter crap out of a bike is unlikely to make the camchain jump teeth anyway.

It might do many other horrible things to your engine but dislodging the camchain is near the bottom of the list.
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I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[MaybeGuy]

either way, i havnt thrashed the bike as im still getting used to it kinda.

shes trying to put across that not having chicken strips means that i rag it.

ill take her outside and show her a 15mph kneedown

.....................

GOOD NEWS TODAY!!!

they fitted my manual cam chain tensioner and it apparantly works
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[aero]

Nice thread title.
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[D O G]

That is fucking nasty. Glad it seems to be working out for you ok tho.

You should have fitted it yourself - I did mine no bother, and I'm no mechanical genius. They (manual CCT's) do need adjusting an awful lot though.

[MaybeGuy]

grand total for a carb balance and fitting of a manual CCT is £95!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

got no choice other than to pay really, as i should have been more careful as to what i posted here...

if anyone else is after restricting a SRAD6, its 40mm with 13mm internal diameter to get 33bhp


moral of the story...
if it aint broke, dont fix it
and if it is broke, fix it yourself.
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[Ariel Badger]

Time to name and shame.
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[MaybeGuy]

i got my bike back, missing a fairing bolt and a petrol tank rubber support thingy.

they fried my battery jump starting it

they also had the cheek of reccomending themselves to restrict my bike for me!!! for a mere £150...

they then fed me all this bollocks about how i cant make my own restrictor kit as it would breach copyright laws...

so according to them, if i make a washer and put it in my bike its illegal! so this is the sole reason why im naming and shaming, for feeding me bullshit.

the end
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Blue_SV650S wrote: it was a sh1te wheelie, but it proves that he can get it up in 3rd and can do angles. In summery, mattsprattuk is a gobby little sh1tebag, dopehead tw4t, but sadly for all of us, he probably isn't THAT full of sh1te!!
Kickstart wrote: Hi I tend to agree with Matt. All the best Keith

[TUG]

What a bunch of morons, i hope they read this, pure utter brainless morons, this is why i do all my own work down to cowboys like them, and its them that give mechanics a bad name.
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Haz ER-5, innit!

[stinkwheel]

Mind you, I don't think the price is unreasonable. Balancing a fully faired inline 4 is a pain in the arse. Not so much the balancing but all the bits you need to take off to get at the vacuum stubs.
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I did the 2010 Round Britain Rally on my 350 Bullet. 89 landmarks, 3 months, 9,500 miles.

[TUG]

[lllN30lll]

[stinkwheel]

[spikenipple]

Give them as much hassle as you can muster about the parts missing from your bike.
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