Staffies

[NeoGinge]

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7239464.stm

It's a rather good article. But the comments below it have pissed me off seriously.

Right first of all, having a Staffie is not like walking around with a loaded gun you assholes

Any kind of dog can be vicious, it depends how you bring it up. I've had Staffies all my life, never been bitten (apart from once, but i deserved it because i was being stupid), or had one start a fight.

Anyone on here that can honestly tell me that a well brought up Staffie is more vicious than a Jack Russell or some other little bastard of a dog.

The little dogs bite much more often, its just that when they do, they inflict next to no damage. Staffie attacks are rare, but when they do happen (And its usually the owners fault) they cause a good bit of damage.

And just because of that they should be banned under the dangerous dogs act? Its shit. Fucking little Terriers should be banned first as they are the vicious ones.

My Staffie will quite happily lie down and let a little kid play with its ears and tail as it loves them, and is really gentle. A little terrier would turn round and bite the kid.

Anyway, that's my rant over. Just wanted to get it off my chest.

Any views or comments welcome, just please don't start posting shit about them if you don't know the breed well.

[pwntifex]

Nothing (really) to do with the breed—more to do with the sort that buy them.
They'd just move on to the next breed if we made it impossible for them to get hold of 'em.
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[h00dwink]

Posted a comment on the BBC thing. Hopefully it will get on there. was something along the lines of this-
I work in Eastbourne railway station, there is a Job Centre not far away from us so the local cunts (seriously that's what they are) are constantly bimbling through the station.

These aren't the normal riff raff pricks. These are people who have carved their life in to just being a shitty burden on society and are better off being destroyed.
Homeless, jobless, alocholic drug addicts. They are some of the most vile people you could ever have the misfortune to see. The sort of people you don't notice as you walk through town.
Since working there I have seen the popularity of Staffie's increase. You can see the guy that owns it is a negligent cock. If only through how the animal behaves around them.

I didn't mean for this to be long, could go on about these people for an age.

Although it's not clear there, I am pro-staffie.
It is the owner that makes the animal what it is. In the same sense as a parent makes a child either a burden on, or benefit to society.
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[killa]

Id rather my chances against a little terrier than a staff.
I could kick a terrier to death before it could think about biting me twice, I don’t think I would be so lucky with a staff.
There should be mobile dog units perhaps, I know its extra cost, but any low life seen with a potential threat to the public should be tested in someway with the dog. Is it capable of maiming people, is the owner under full control.

I’ve had to kick a dog before, it was a rather large black dog, no idea what it was…it had a small girl backed against the fence in a park (which incidentally was the play area through a gate), she was crying and trying to keep her hands to herself, and I think she knew it wasn’t fucking about. I ran past the owner, who was merely shouting at it to stop. I soccer kicked it to the face and then it was going to have a go at me not the girl, the girl ran off and I just stood facing the dog. It trotted back to the owner and that was that. I’m freaked out by mad dogs, I know they can do damage, id put one down without a moments thought if it tried anything.
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[JonB]

Obviously they don't need be banned, because they aren't dangerous dogs.

However, the people that own them are pests.

Ban em for about 70 years and let our generation die out.
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[thegubner]

Here's my vicious beast, who happened to get attacked by a springer spaniel yesterday, that bit him on the winky, he retaliated and while I was pulling them apart the bloke with the springer said my dog was a cun*, even though mine was on the lead his wasn't and his attacked mine.

The springer ended up with my staffie's jaws round its throat, but he should never have had a dog that attacks off the lead!

Whats the answer here?....ban springers?

All dogs are capable of attacking, it doesn't matter how much damage they COULD inflict, what are they going to ban next any bloke over 19 stone as he can do more damage than a 7 stoner?

He couldn't even get his dog back on the lead after so he whacked the springer with a chain lead a few times, I went ape shi* at him and he stopped. Its the person who owns the dog, not the dog.


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[Misc]

It's bloody ridiculous, every time i see a Yob, Chav, Rude boy, hoody whatever, walking a dog, 99% of the time it's a Staff!
It's nothing to do with the temperament of the animal, but because Staffs have got a reputation, so this gives the owner some sort of coolness, power, respect?
They own Staffs because it's the latest fashion, just like owning the new pair of Nikes, Staffs are the must have item.

So the dogs owned by the above are more likely to be dangerous then those with a proper owner & a legit reason for owning it other then 'it makes me look cool'

Thank god Pitbulls are illegal!

[NeoGinge]

[thegubner]

[NeoGinge]

Pitbulls are banned under the dangerous dogs act, but most Staffies are crossed with them, and there are many pedigree Pits as well.
Very common around where I live.
Its just the owners that fuck them up.
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[Didge]

Oh dear................


https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/north_yorkshire/7246192.stm

[NeoGinge]

[thegubner]

And how often do you hear of so called family dogs biting kids?

Wouldn't make front page news if a labrador had bit a child, and they can inflict serious damage too.

The fact of the matter is, staffies are an easy media target, most of the stories of bites involve a "staffordshire bull terrier type dog"

Type being the word to watch, it means it wasn't a staff but they are easy to call devil dogs.

And as long as the public listen to the bull shi*, it will carry on, fact...........staffies nickname is the nanny dog, the reason behind this is the fact that dog fighters years ago when it was legal bred a dog that fights very well but is incredibly good with people, especially children, who were regularly left at home with the dog, hence nanny dog. The fighting was eventually bred out of the breed in the mainstream, but carried on in illegal circles.

Its the modern idiot who is ruining the reputation of these loyal and affectionate dogs, they are loving, caring, funny, they make you smile, the keep you company and they protect you.

They are a perfect family dog.

And for every idiot that has a "devil dog" there are an abundance of beautiful family pets.

[Endless Nameless]

Hate to admit it, but I'm right behind the guv on this one...

Know a chap who has a Rottweiler (and has always had them), which although they don't have quite as bad a "reputation" as a staffy still have a pretty shit one. He loves it to bits, his kids love it to bits, and it's a perfectly friendly dog unless someone really does something to annoy it. And even my ditzy black Lab will get cross if someone/ thing attacks it or us. Another notch up for the "it's not the dog it's the owner" theory there anyway. [/list]
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[killa]

Humans should be treated more like dogs when the have caused an offense. Just put em down.

Both are equally annoying bags of meat.
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[thegubner]

The other factor that makes staffies a good dog for children is the high pain threshold, which was bred in to them for fighting and especially for bull baiting.

This threshold means they are far more tolerant than most dogs to the abuse that toddlers who know no better can sometimes inflict on a dog.

My staff will nip me and play rough with me if I pull his tail, if my missus' 5 yr old neice pulls his tail he sighs and sort of rolls his eyes.

My missus plays tug of war with him, when she was pregnant he turned very gentle with her, like he knew, now she has had the baby he pulls like mad on his rope when they are playing again.

He also used to go to her stomach and sniff a lot when she was preggers.

He now regularly walks up to the moses basket and casts a watchful glance in every now and then at the baby, only when we are in the room of course, you cant be too careful with ANY dog.

He has also got a lot more alert when people knock on the door since the baby has been here and shows no jealousy, he seems to act as if its another person above him who he must behave around.
They way he is around all people really.


Sorry to ramble I just hate it when these dogs get a bad press because of a few idiots.

Blame the deed, not the breed.

A bit like bikers really.

[NeoGinge]

[thegubner]

Thats spot on that.

Except my dogs desire to please me involves him humping trees when we walk sometimes

He still has his nuts and is about 7 yrs old so I cant really blame him, he never shagged a real dog.


Poor lad.

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[Dragonfly]

Two of my friends have staffies and they wouldn't harm you. When I seen them they where calm good temprement and laid back. This is what sparked my neighbor off I think when she seen him in my drive way with it.

A lot of people dont like big dogs either, I get grief over my two German shepherds and people screaming in the street at them On more than one occasion I have had a lady shout at me to get away from her while walking my dog. Anyway slightly off topic there.

Its how you bring up your animals to. Mine would lick you to death. Some poeple even provoke dogs into bitting just so they can have them destroyed. If anything should be banned its them bloody ankle bitting yapping rugs the ones in particular that goes for me on the bike. It needs banned.
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[thegubner]

Uk kennel clubs and US kennel clubs differ.

The pit bull is mainly american in origin, and over there its a breed and legal.

The fact it is illegal here is a factor in why there are so many dodgy dogs.

If the breeding of dogs was banned to Joe Public and only properly vetted and authorised breeders were allowed to breed dogs, there would be no need to ban any dog.

It's down to the illegalities in my eyes.

With pit bull's from proper breeders and car type documents for a dog, like a logbook if you will, with birth and death certificates you could regulate who gets the "dangerous" type dogs.

I think that would work a hell of a lot better than any old twat buying any animal they want.

[neatbik]

A good friend of mine has two staffies, and my g/f's sister has one.
They are both responsible owners, they both have kids, and their dogs have never even growled at, let alone attack, anyone.
As with all dogs its the way you treat and react to them that makes them the way they are.

[D O G]

As a rule I don't like dogs, and even more so now that I have a child. All dogs are inherently dangerous, the majority could inflict a serious injury on my little girl, however there are certain breeds which would undoubtedly inflict worse injuries than others. I would include Staffs in that category. As someone else said, I have never heard of a Jack Russell inflicting a serious or fatal injury.

I know that the quality and attitude of the owners is a very significant part of the behaviour of the dog, however it is not the whole story. No owner could make a husky lazy, for example, or a greyhound a marathon runner. There are physiological predetermined characteristics which are also at work.

I would personally like to see Staffs banned (along with a lot of other breeds), but understand that this is not fair on true enthusiasts. There should be patrolling dog inspectors and a requirement for microchipping and licencinig each dog, like we do for bikes and cars, and those who have no licence prosecuted, and their dog destroyed. It seems to me that there is no policing of this issue other than after an attack, which is frankly ridiculous.

[craigie b]

Without giving to much thought on the subject I like the last proposal. Dogs like pitbulls etc can be extremely dangerous if the owner is irresponsible.

Maybe screening owners before they get a dog, followed by a 6 month inspection, on a national scale, with strict punishments if the dog is being mistreated or deemed psychologically unsound would be a good idea.

That way owners who are proud of their dog and love it have a degree of protection, and the public doesn't have to have a knee jerk reaction every time one goes nuts.