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PostPosted: 17:17 - 14 Feb 2008    Post subject: For all you city filterers Reply with quote

https://www.motorbikestoday.com/news/Articles/filtering_law.htm

Makes a change.
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 14 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd think they'd bother to spell it correctly.

Davis v Schrogin is how it's known as.
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 14 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good to know, was filtering through town today and was going past a police car, was a bit wary and made sure I went the right way round the traffic island.

Am I right in thinking that your allowed to filter past traffic even if its on a double whites in the middle of the road as long as there going less than 10mph and its safe to do so?
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 14 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good news Thumbs Up shame im too much of a pussy to filter Embarassed Laughing.
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PostPosted: 20:52 - 14 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

highland biker wrote:
Good news Thumbs Up shame im too much of a pussy to filter Embarassed Laughing.


Yeah I don't filter either and I'm on a moped. I sit in the traffic and see bigger bikes going past me and I want to filter too but just don't seem to have the confidence to do it.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 14 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jenkinz wrote:

Am I right in thinking that your allowed to filter past traffic even if its on a double whites in the middle of the road as long as there going less than 10mph and its safe to do so?


I don't think you can. Someone might want to check but I think that rule only applies to tractors, bicycles and horse drawn vehicles.
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 14 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Jenkinz wrote:

Am I right in thinking that your allowed to filter past traffic even if its on a double whites in the middle of the road as long as there going less than 10mph and its safe to do so?


I don't think you can. Someone might want to check but I think that rule only applies to tractors, bicycles and horse drawn vehicles.


I beleive it applies to stationary vehicles as well, but that probably means when the path is blocked, ie the prick with the hazards 'cause he is too important to walk a few yards. I got away with breaking double whites to some red traffic lights, because it was clear that the traffic was stopped, hence the red light. Although mr Pan Plod decided he wanted to remind me I shouldn't do it.

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PostPosted: 09:50 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bout bloody time !!!
i filter every day to and from work and some of the things cagers do takes a lot to be believed.

This needs to be made very public so that car drivers are made fully aware then they will be more inclined to look and look again when stopped or crawling.

Ask any car driver (non biker) and they will tell you that you are breaking the law by filtering. I get abused often by twats who then wind their windows up and pretend they didn't say anything when you approach them.

Passengers leaping out of cars is one of the best. I was so close to an accident involving once of these muppets recently.

I was filtering towards a set of lights 300 yds or so down the road when 50 yds in front a passenger door just gets flung open and this tosser gets out.
He then proceeded to do an impression of a goldfish (vacant expression and mouth opening and closing) as he turned and looked at where the blaring horn was coming from....me.

a second or so later and either he'd of opened the door straight into the side of me or i wouldn't have been able to stop in time.

i don't understand what gets into these strokers. If i'm in the car and about to open my door or the kids are getting out etc i always check. i don't want a nasty repair bill so i double check.

It's not f...ing rocket science.

I still think that everyone going for any kind of driving license should be made to do a CBT first so they are more aware of other road users.

Rant over....apologies for long bitching post
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PostPosted: 14:47 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Jenkinz wrote:

Am I right in thinking that your allowed to filter past traffic even if its on a double whites in the middle of the road as long as there going less than 10mph and its safe to do so?


I don't think you can. Someone might want to check but I think that rule only applies to tractors, bicycles and horse drawn vehicles.


Good call Stinkwheel - I always thought it was anything travelling sub 10mph. You learn something new everyday! Thumbs Up

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Double white lines where the line nearest you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.


https://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070306
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PostPosted: 15:40 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Bofh5"
This needs to be made very public so that car drivers are made fully aware then they will be more inclined to look and look again when stopped or crawling.

Ask any car driver (non biker) and they will tell you that you are breaking the law by filtering. I get abused often by twats who then wind their windows up and pretend they didn't say anything when you approach them.[/quote]My dad (used to bike many years ago) says filtering is wrong and shouldn't be done, had a go at me once and I replied "show me anywhere it says it's illegal" but he couldn't. Thing is, that's him who used to bike; how many cagers that have never biked would know anything but this? Mad
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PostPosted: 18:53 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but this is a repost and the fact remains that although the judge in this particular case found in favour of the biker, each case will be assessed on it's merits.

I'm currently awaiting the outcome of a similar accident I had in October 07, and though my solicitor is well versed in case law, they pointed out the case of Davis & Schrogin although a precedent is not a change of law per se.

With regard to the legality of filtering the Highway code only offers the following information:

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Additionally, when filtering in slow-moving traffic, take care and keep your speed low.

Highway Code online - rule 88
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

st3v3 wrote:
[quote="Bofh5"
This needs to be made very public so that car drivers are made fully aware then they will be more inclined to look and look again when stopped or crawling.

Ask any car driver (non biker) and they will tell you that you are breaking the law by filtering. I get abused often by twats who then wind their windows up and pretend they didn't say anything when you approach them.
My dad (used to bike many years ago) says filtering is wrong and shouldn't be done, had a go at me once and I replied "show me anywhere it says it's illegal" but he couldn't. Thing is, that's him who used to bike; how many cagers that have never biked would know anything but this? Mad[/quote]

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PostPosted: 23:34 - 15 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of interest, what is the deal with the hatched areas? Can you use them to overtake? I was riding through them overtaking standing traffic and am just wondering now whether that may have been unlawful?
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PostPosted: 09:42 - 16 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay HTFC wrote:
Out of interest, what is the deal with the hatched areas? Can you use them to overtake? I was riding through them overtaking standing traffic and am just wondering now whether that may have been unlawful?


In answer the highway code offers the following:

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Areas of white diagonal stripes or chevrons painted on the road. These are to separate traffic lanes or to protect traffic turning right.

Arrow if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so
Arrow if the area is marked with chevrons and bordered by solid white lines you MUST NOT enter it except in an emergency

[Laws MT(E&W)R regs 5, 9, 10 & 16, MT(S)R regs 4, 8, 9 & 14, RTA sect 36 & TSRGD 10(1)]


Highway Code online - rule 130
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PostPosted: 09:43 - 16 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay HTFC wrote:
Out of interest, what is the deal with the hatched areas? Can you use them to overtake? I was riding through them overtaking standing traffic and am just wondering now whether that may have been unlawful?


If the lines around the outside of the cross hatchings are unbroken then i think its the same as normal solid white line, and if they are broken then you are allowed to use them to filter, don't hold me to that though
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 16 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Arrow if the area is bordered by a broken white line, you should not enter the area unless it is necessary and you can see that it is safe to do so


What does 'necessary' cover? If traffic is not moving and to progress forwards it is necessary to enter the hatches. And as a bike can fit in the hatches, it is safe to do so.
Does that sound legal? Smile
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PostPosted: 21:23 - 16 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds legal or at least acceptable to me as long as your going slowly while doing it.
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 17 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally I think the first point is subjective and therefore each to their own, sort it out if and when you get stopped for it referring to rule 130. On the second point I think it's largely black and white and will probably result in 3 points.
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PostPosted: 20:25 - 12 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't filter unless the traffic is absolutely stationary. But I still came unstuck when the passenger in a stopped car decided to get out as I was passing. It wasn't the classic 'drive into the door', he actually opened the door onto me and wedged me up against a parked car.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 12 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

leiba1 wrote:
I don't filter unless the traffic is absolutely stationary. But I still came unstuck when the passenger in a stopped car decided to get out as I was passing. It wasn't the classic 'drive into the door', he actually opened the door onto me and wedged me up against a parked car.


It sounds like you were between the pavement / parked cars and the active car? Make sure you are always on the other side of the car to the pavement to avoid passengers opening their doors on you. But you've still got to watch out for passengers in the back right seat getting out (which maybe what happened to you in the first place Smile)
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PostPosted: 23:06 - 12 Mar 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was aiming to turn left at the traffic lights a few feet ahead of me. The parked car was illegally in my lane. I've learnt from it, I stay behind them in situations like that now. But looking at that ruling, we're in a no win situation when it comes to cars and illegal manoeuvres. The biker was taken down by a driver doing a U turn so he was on the other side of the traffic to me.
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