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Dragonfly
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PostPosted: 12:21 - 23 Feb 2008    Post subject: Smokers Licence Reply with quote
I know this was on the 15th but Its only been brought to my attention now. Really hope its not a repost as I havnt seen it here.

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£10 licence to smoke' proposed
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Smokers would have to get a licence to light up under the plan
Smokers could be forced to pay £10 for a permit to buy tobacco if a government health advisory body gets its way.

No one would be able to buy cigarettes without the permit, under the idea proposed by Health England.

Its chairman, Professor Julian Le Grand, told BBC Radio 5 Live the scheme would make a big difference to the number of people giving up smoking.

But smokers' rights group Forest described the idea as "outrageous", given how much tax smokers already pay.

Professor Le Grand, a former adviser to ex-PM Tony Blair, said cash raised by the proposed scheme would go to the NHS.

He said it was the inconvenience of getting a permit - as much as the cost - that would deter people from persisting with the smoking habit.

"You've got to get a form, a complex form - the government's good at complex forms; you have got to get a photograph.

"It's a little bit of a problem to actually do it, so you have got to make a conscious decision every year to opt in to being a smoker."

'Extra bureaucracy'

He added: "70% of smokers actually want to stop smoking.

"So if you just make it that little bit more difficult for them to actually re-start or even to start in the first place, yes I think it will make a big difference."

But Forest said it would be "an extra form of taxation, while tobacco taxation is already at record levels".

Forest spokesman Simon Clark said that when the cost of administration, extra bureaucracy and enforcement are taken into account, "the mind boggles".

He added that the people most affected by the proposals would be "the elderly and people on low incomes".

Mr Clark added: "The senior government advisor putting this idea forward is not only adding to the red tape and bureaucracy we already have in this country.

"He is openly bragging that he wants to make the form as complex as possible to fill in."

A department of health spokeswoman did not rule out such a scheme as part of the next wave of tobacco regulation.

She said: "We will be consulting later this year on the next steps on tobacco control.

"Ministers are seeking input from a whole range of stakeholders."

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7247470.stm


Rolling Eyes I will one day be able to tell my kids if I have any what freedom used to be like and what it means when I was young if it carries on like this. What next?
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JonB
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PostPosted: 13:26 - 23 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Yeah but you still have the freedom to smoke, you just have to pay an annual tax.
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PostPosted: 13:33 - 23 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jon B wrote:
Yeah but you still have the freedom to smoke, you just have to pay an annual tax.


Nope, you need to be licenced for it. Licence can be removed at any time.

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PostPosted: 13:49 - 23 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
I often sit here with my head in my hands in total disbelief, wondering when the good people of this country are going to wake up and smell the coffee. Moan, moan, fukin' moan, thats all we ever hear. Do us all a favour, either stop moaning or do something about it.

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craigie b
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 23 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
can someone remove jon b`s hands to prevent any further atrocities being uttered Laughing seriously, smokers already have substancial tax burden. next you`ll find zanulabour has sold the licencee`s details to health insurance companies for another tidy sum. you soon won`t be able to take a shit in the uk without some kind of red tape..
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 23 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'll just start smoking cheap fegs. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 23 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
The government slip in subliminal messages into the film industry the new James Bond film- "License to smoke!"


OK that was really lame, am away then. Embarassed
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PostPosted: 18:27 - 23 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
God im moving to Greece. Thats fucking it.
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Jaloopa
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PostPosted: 23:52 - 23 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Fuck that. I'll just buy duty free if they bring it in.

Or start smoking neat weed.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 24 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
jaloopa wrote:
Fuck that. I'll just buy duty free if they bring it in.

Or start smoking neat weed.


And then when you are asked to produce your licence by a copper (as no doubt there will be crack police units) you will be fined for not being licenced and fined for having dodgy fags.

In poole in Dorset they have smoking police, who look for people dropping fag butts, a 50 quid fine.

Police employed to watch for people dropping fag butts! Fuckin nonces are getting suspended sentances but they want to put in a licence to smoke, this country is shite.

Death to Tony fuckin Blair.

Death to Gordon fuckin Brown.

Death to immi fuckin grants.

Bombs to fuckin parliament.

That Guy fuckin fawks fella had it right.
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PostPosted: 13:09 - 24 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
That Guy fuckin fawks fella had it right.


Really? You support the bombing of civilian targets on religious grounds then? Shocked
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Jaloopa
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 24 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
bazza wrote:
the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
That Guy fuckin fawks fella had it right.


Really? You support the bombing of civilian targets on religious grounds then? Shocked

My Dad always says he was the last person to enter the houses of parliament with an honest intention.
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bazza
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PostPosted: 15:47 - 24 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
jaloopa wrote:
My Dad always says he was the last person to enter the houses of parliament with an honest intention.


Tell your Dad he's wrong then...

https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3728617.stm
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thegubner
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PostPosted: 18:22 - 24 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
bazza wrote:
the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:
That Guy fuckin fawks fella had it right.


Really? You support the bombing of civilian targets on religious grounds then? Shocked


I meant the blowing up of parliament, not all the shite that goes with it.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 24 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
nice idea in theory, but i dont think it would work to well in practise
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owdamer
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PostPosted: 19:51 - 24 Feb 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
the_guvnor_1_uk wrote:


In poole in Dorset they have smoking police, who look for people dropping fag butts, a 50 quid fine.



This goes on in Oldham.
Smoker drops his dimps. Council officer approaches and ask's him to pick it up.
Fuck you says the dimp dropper, next thing he's issued with a fixed penalty for littering.
Sounds fair enough to me. but the problem is the officers will ignore a gang of teenagers throwing takaway cartons all over the road and pick on a solitary smoker who isn't likely to turn violent.

There was a guy in the paper last week who spent a day cleaning the streets of the town centre to avoid a fine after he threw his chip wrapping on the floor.
This sounds like a great idea to me. I dont want to live knee deep in shit.
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