My friend's summons...

ttr · Crazy Courier Joined: 22 Apr 2007 Karma :

Just under a month ago my friend got pulled by rozzers..

She was riding a CBR125 on a provisional, with a pillion, and she wasn't wearing a helmet (her pillion was).

Her summons came through yesterday, they're doing her for riding something something accordance with license and riding without a helmet, seem to be ignoring the Ls?

What's she looking at? First offence and all that.

As far as I've been able to find out, riding without a lid isn't endorsable so 3-6 and a fine for the other offence?
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andrew · Mister Road Rage Joined: 03 Feb 2002 Karma :

She's looking at 3 points.

skinny · Nitrous Nuisance Joined: 16 Jul 2007 Karma :

I would say 3points for no helmet + 3 points for riding outside the terms of her license
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MarJay · But it's British! Joined: 15 Sep 2003 Karma :

I'm not sure if riding without a helmet is endorsable... something tells me it isn't

However, they could say riding outside the terms of your license or whatever, and in addition to that she could get done for riding without insurance, because riding outside the terms of your license instantly invalidates your insurance. It is also possible that riding without a lid could do this too...

If they want, they can throw the book... depends how crappy they are feeling I suppose.
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cestrian · World Chat Champion Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Karma :

If she is young, hopefully she will show deep remorse, be very apologetic and get three to six points.

Keir · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Apr 2006 Karma :

no helmet is simply a £30 fine. nothing more nothing less.

not sure on the passenger bit.
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Finglonga · World Chat Champion Joined: 27 Jul 2004 Karma :

I just wonder what was going through her head to attempt to do something like that in the first place?

No wonder insurance is high for new riders when people are doing that sort of thing. Confused

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strag · World Chat Champion Joined: 08 Oct 2004 Karma :

It will be 'driving otherwise in accordance with a licence'. In other words shes a learner with a pillion, so they did not ignore the L plates.
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Cigaro · World Chat Champion Joined: 28 Mar 2007 Karma :

Probably 3 points and a fine for the pillion. £30 for no helmet.

Keeping L's on and having one of you not wearing a helmet is bloody asking for trouble. If you're going to carry a pillion on a provisional at least try and make it look legit...

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If she goes to the judges private rooms, strips naked, takes it up the gary, give him a blow job she may get an Honourable discharge. or get let off.
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Timmeh · World Chat Champion Joined: 01 Nov 2006 Karma :

Sorry but riding with no helmet should be an instant ban.

It's about as stupid as you can get.
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The Tot · World Chat Champion Joined: 11 Jun 2004 Karma :

Exact situation as my mate 4 years ago. Rode his ped with mate on back who had no lid. He got a £200 fine and 3 points for Driving without accordance to his license. Mate had no lid and they were riding on the pavement to get into his driveway.

I got done for something similar. My dad was on the back but twat was holding onto a cardboard box. It was ME that got done - had my dad been driving and i was on the back - wuda been fine.

In the end, I was fortunate enough to only get reprimanded for "driving without accordance to my license" - they dropped any subsequent charges - didn't receive summons. I got let off lightly - police that stopped me were standard bobbies, not traffic, but both of them rode - I was 17 back then.

At the very worst it's a 6 pointer and nominal fine. Mate got solicitor, paid a fee of like 100 quid for his services and got off with only a 200 quid fine/court charge fee ( i think THAT was the total cost) - got 3 points. Could be worthwhile getting a solicitor?
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binge · Emo Kiddy Joined: 03 Jul 2004 Karma :

On the Helmet side of things.

My Dad responds to every bike accident in the area (hes a cop). And being a biker himself, likes to be first on the scene to sort things out.

The amount of close death crashes he has been to is unreal. And I was quite shocked when he told me how many dead bodies hes had to scrape up off the road.

Not a nice thought.