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T.C
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PostPosted: 13:13 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Be carefull out there guys (and girls) Reply with quote

Over the last week or so I have done a number of talks, presentations call them what you will to various bike groups around the country.

As is often the case I get people coming up afterwards stating how they have recently been involved in an accident since getting back on the bike after the winter lay off which ties in with the increase in accidents being reported that I see at this time of year.

On one presentation with an audience of about 300, there were about 15 riders who had been involved in crashes over the last few weeks. At another talk where the audience was about 50 strong, there were about 8 who had had crashes, and at the third where there was an audience of about 150, there were about 12 who had experienced similar problems.

There were two main reasons as to why these crashes had occurred, one was dozy drivers who have become complacent to the presence of motorcycles, particularly over the winter months when numbers decline, the other problem is riders getting back onto the bikes after the winter layoff and assume that they can carry on as if nothing has changed since they laid the bike up.

In cases where it is just the rider, it is often as a result of the rider forgetting that they are a bit ring rusty and they need to get back into the groove gradually, in the case of car drivers, it is invariably just laziness in that they cannot be bothered to check properly.

So word of warning guys (and girls), please take care out there! Although I am always pleased to pick up new cases, I would rather people got home in one piece, and I would rather they took a little bit longer than trying to assume that they can ride at the same pace as they did at the end of the summer when they had a full seasons riding under their belt.
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 04 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never owned a car but for work i have to drive a van so always on the look out for bikes filtering as most of my work is in London. I've already noticed increase in numbers of bikers about. More worring is the ammount of ones who just have no idea what they seem to be doing! Loads sitting in my blind spot for ages does my nut Evil or Very Mad .
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PostPosted: 05:46 - 05 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been out on my bike a few times throughout winter for long rides into wales mainly but not much this year because it's been so cold for so long. Took it out today for general use for the first time, were a lot of bikes out around Wolverhampton, most i've seen all year.

Did follow one guy riding a cruiser on L plates down the 449 into the centre and his riding was truly appalling, it's a busy 40mph dual carriageway, it was rushour and he was just riding at a fairly constant speed no matter what was happening around him. No indicators, weaving about, up close behind cars, buses, then they'd brake and he'd just swerve to the next lane without looking whatsoever, amazed he was still in one peice when he reached the ringroad Rolling Eyes In the minority i'd say, but amazing that a new rider can have absolutely zero concentration while on the road, surely you'd be cautious.

On another point, read in the paper yesterday that a 17year old was killed when he crashed his new 600 suzuki in the Merry Hill carpark while racing his mate, he skidded and just ran into a kerb at about 60mph and went for a flight. The follow up was that apparently Merry Hill have rekerbed and redisgned the particular part of the carpark so that the same accident doesn't happen again Eh?
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 05 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Klause wrote:
I've never owned a car but for work i have to drive a van so always on the look out for bikes filtering as most of my work is in London. I've already noticed increase in numbers of bikers about. More worring is the ammount of ones who just have no idea what they seem to be doing! Loads sitting in my blind spot for ages does my nut Evil or Very Mad .


Can someone make a thread that shows where the blind spots are for cars and vans etc.
Sometimes beginners don't know exactly where a cars blind spot is, especially if they've never driven before.
It'd be hellishly useful for some of us. Like wise for vans with no windows.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 05 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you cant see the driver, be it through a window or mirror, then your in a blind spot. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 05 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's amazing how rusty the winter months can make you. I haven't even stopped riding, but it's taken the last month at least for me to get even halfway towards my riding at the end of of play last September.

The cold damp weather of winter for the most part only really allows mundane upright pottering, and since the climate started to get a little dryer and warmer about 5 weeks ago I've slowly been getting into the groove again. I still don't feel like I'm as capable as I was last summer. So I'd hate to think what it must be like if you've not ridden at all for a good few months.

Stay safe everyone Cool
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PostPosted: 22:21 - 05 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

i took 4 days off and almost forgot how to ride lol, then again i was on a bike id never sat on before Laughing
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PostPosted: 02:38 - 06 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

virus wrote:
if you cant see the driver, be it through a window or mirror, then your in a blind spot. Thumbs Up


or more precisely, if you cant see his eyes, you are in a blind spot

as you can be in his blind spot and see him, even if he cant see you, as he cant see u in his mirror and his head isnt pointing your way
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PostPosted: 11:49 - 06 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay HTFC wrote:

Can someone make a thread that shows where the blind spots are for cars and vans etc.
Sometimes beginners don't know exactly where a cars blind spot is, especially if they've never driven before.
It'd be hellishly useful for some of us. Like wise for vans with no windows.


With transit-sized vans, the worst place you can put yourself is with the leading-edge of your front tyre level with the passengers door-handle, and you about a handlebar's-width from the left-side of the van. This is about the largest area where you are not visible and the driver is less-likely to hear your bike engine. If the van switches-lane to the left you have nowhere to go, and are going to get squashed. Either ride level with the driver's window so he can see you through that or fall-back so your front wheel is at least level with the van's rear wheel (or even clear of the rear of the van altogether) so he can see you in the mirror.

The same is true for the riding alongside a van on the driver's side, except that because the driver's head is closer to the mirror he has a wider visible angle on his offside making the blind-spot much smaller and can also turn his head to look in the blind-spot (if he sees fit). He is also more likely to hear your bike.
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