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PostPosted: 11:44 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Mopeds. Reply with quote

Been thinking about this for a bit & wanted some comments on it. I reckon more then 50% of mopeds i see are 'Ped bois' & this percentage can't ride, they don't know the road & they're dangerous. I was like this at 16 my first ride after passing the CBT & i hit my mate up the ass, i didn't know the signs & just wanted to show off & ride fast, this is the case with most.

Why can't the CBT be changed to the full bike test where if you're 16/17 you'd have have to do a full bike test but still ride a moped until your 21 or you get a bike restricted? Most peds are faster then cars with all these mods so i don't think it's a speed issue.

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PostPosted: 11:52 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I had to ride a moped untill I was 21 I'd not bother and just get a car..

Edit: Or am I missing the point here?
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PostPosted: 11:54 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Re: Mopeds. Reply with quote

Because it would force people to pay for expensive tuition.

In a car, you can buy your car, then get anyone who's over 21 and had their licence for more than three years to sit in your passenger seat - most people will know someone.

There's no option for that, so instead they allow people to buy a small bike to 'learn' on their own.
The time spent on a 125 is probably a good thing I reckon; think if all those 17 year olds just got a (de)restricted r6 straight away Neutral.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, to put it simply. Most ped riders can't ride for shit, the CBT is far to easy & doesn't teach you anything. I'd rather do a test that made me feel safe/learn something, rather then a test that's done to get you on the road quick with none of the above.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the set up here.

14 to ride a ped no lisence or insurance or even a lisence plate needed just buy one and off you go.

And at 16 you can ride any power bike and even if you just get a learner permit the only restriction is no pillions. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well the CBT isn't a test as such and legally mopeds should only go 30mph (if under 17) and 125's should ony have 14.6BHP max so not really /that/ fast.

If I had to ride a moped till I was 21 I wouldn't have bothered to ride in the first place. I think the way it is now is fine apart from the 2 years restriction. Some form of restriction yes but not for 2 years. It should be mileage if anything but that'd be very hard to control.

Also, they are changing the tests and how old you have to be in a few years so don't worry.

And I seed lots of "ped bois" but I haven't seen them cause any danger. Confused
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know where you live but here in London i see them everyday, just last night a moped overtook me on the wrong side of the road when a car was coming the opposite way (overtook that too) Riding on the pavement (same night different area) very bad road positioning, they usually rider parallel to one another & pier pressure plays a big part.

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I like the set up here.

14 to ride a ped no lisence or insurance or even a lisence plate needed just buy one and off you go.

And at 16 you can ride any power bike and even if you just get a learner permit the only restriction is no pillions. Mr. Green


Are mopeds rare over there as you don't really see many about?

Insane laws tho!!
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
Ok, to put it simply. Most ped riders can't ride for shit, the CBT is far to easy & doesn't teach you anything. I'd rather do a test that made me feel safe/learn something, rather then a test that's done to get you on the road quick with none of the above.


CBT is easy but it does teach you something if you pay attention and listen to what you're being told. I learnt enough from it to know how to ride on the roads properly, or at least the basics and the rest I learnt myself.

Its not the CBT thats the problem, its the mentality of a lot of 16 year olds.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

McGee wrote:
I like the set up here.

14 to ride a ped no lisence or insurance or even a lisence plate needed just buy one and off you go.

And at 16 you can ride any power bike and even if you just get a learner permit the only restriction is no pillions. Mr. Green


Its the same in France i think.

If they are bad drivers they will crash and learn or crash and die!

I don't agree with all of these restrictions (nanny state), thats why i was driving a k4 600 at 19. If i was not a half sensible driver i would not have lasted long.
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PostPosted: 12:47 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
I don't know where you live but here in London i see them everyday, just last night a moped overtook me on the wrong side of the road when a car was coming the opposite way (overtook that too) Riding on the pavement (same night different area) very bad road positioning, they usually rider parallel to one another & pier pressure plays a big part.

But would the full test actually stop these people riding like that?

I suspect they probably well knew they "shouldn't" be doing it - but did anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The harder they make it to get a license/bike the more illegal bikes and riders will appear on the roads.

I'm another who thinks that this is just another slice of the nanny state cake. More restrictions on people because others don't want people to learn from their own mistakes but to listen to theirs.
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PostPosted: 13:16 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Misc wrote:
I don't know where you live but here in London i see them everyday, just last night a moped overtook me on the wrong side of the road when a car was coming the opposite way (overtook that too) Riding on the pavement (same night different area) very bad road positioning, they usually rider parallel to one another & pier pressure plays a big part.

But would the full test actually stop these people riding like that?

I suspect they probably well knew they "shouldn't" be doing it - but did anyway.


It'd lower the numbers which would be a good thing.
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PostPosted: 13:20 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot of moped riders are dicks tbh.. But that doesn't include all... I don't understand why you are so bothered about mopeds lol, You probably have a nice fast bike that will piss all over a moped in first gear? Yet you let it bother you so much?

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PostPosted: 13:23 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Re: Mopeds. Reply with quote

G wrote:
The time spent on a 125 is probably a good thing I reckon; think if all those 17 year olds just got a (de)restricted r6 straight away Neutral.


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PostPosted: 14:23 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would it be harsh to say Chavs and unemployment solution right now?
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PostPosted: 14:43 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't like the 'snobbery' toward those who ride peds.

Yes, there are a lot of idiots riding mopeds. But there are also a lot of idiots on bigger bikes. There are a lot of idiot cyclists cutting lights, ridng on the pacement, etc, even in pillion... but not everyone who chooses a cycle is going to be reckless.

Mopeds and cycles are, for many, a sensible and inexpensive form of transport. I know it's hard for some of you to comprehend, but a lot of adults just don't feel a need to have a bike capable of 150mph to go a few miles down the road to get to work. There's no 'ulterior motive' - no moped conspiracy for you 'hardcore bikers' to worry your stern little heads about. A lot of adults see a moped as better than the bus, that's all.

I ride a ped, as you may know. I'm a long way passed 16. I work in education. I have a degree. I wear suits. Oh yes, I'm a very serious person. True, I'm looking for a 'proper' bike this very instant.

I think a lot of you are fearful of mopeds. You know mopeds make sense. Yet, you're too worried about what the sheeple may think to have a go. Who cares? We're all going about our business, in the ways that work for us. If someone wants to ride a moped, larking around or not, let them - as long as no one comes to any harm, what does it matter?
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I really don't like the 'snobbery' toward those who ride peds.

Yes, there are a lot of idiots riding mopeds. But there are also a lot of idiots on bigger bikes. There are a lot of idiot cyclists cutting lights, ridng on the pacement, etc, even in pillion... but not everyone who chooses a cycle is going to be reckless.

Mopeds and cycles are, for many, a sensible and inexpensive form of transport. I know it's hard for some of you to comprehend, but a lot of adults just don't feel a need to have a bike capable of 150mph to go a few miles down the road to get to work. There's no 'ulterior motive' - no moped conspiracy for you 'hardcore bikers' to worry your stern little heads about. A lot of adults see a moped as better than the bus, that's all.

I ride a ped, as you may know. I'm a long way passed 16. I work in education. I have a degree. I wear suits. Oh yes, I'm a very serious person. True, I'm looking for a 'proper' bike this very instant. But you shouldn't assume everyone on a moped is oogling your cum-soaked superbike, eagar as hell to have a go.

I think a lot of you are fearful of mopeds. You know mopeds make sense. Yet, you're too worried about what the sheeple may think to have a go. Who cares? We're all going about our business, in the ways that work for us. If someone wants to ride a moped, larking around or not, let them - as long as no one comes to any harm, what does it matter?


I've had my fair share of mopeds & moped buddies back in the day. & my thread was targeted towards those who are in the same position as i was. I didn't say all mopeds i said half the mopeds i see are ridden by people that don't have a clue. Hell, even most vespa riders i see are awful.

Sure you get your fair share of bad riders/drivers but i think mopeds are the worst for it & the easy access doesn't really help.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

steppen22 wrote:
I really don't like the 'snobbery' toward those who ride peds.

He did qualify it with 'more than 50%' - suggesting that he wasn't talking about /all/ just those that ride in the way he described.

I don't like your snobbery of other people's snobbery of those that ride badly Razz.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are ped bois more likely to have a serious accident? My guess is not. They may fall off a lot, Break their bikes a lot and be a bunch of chavvy tw&ts but I think the system works. Because they are slower the high accident rate is not refelcted in bad injuries. Unlike (some) middle aged men compensating for some idea of long lost youth.

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PostPosted: 15:46 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I've had my fair share of mopeds & moped buddies back in the day. & my thread was targeted towards those who are in the same position as i was. I didn't say all mopeds i said half the mopeds i see are ridden by people that don't have a clue. Hell, even most vespa riders i see are awful.

Sure you get your fair share of bad riders/drivers but i think mopeds are the worst for it & the easy access doesn't really help.


Fair enough. I would agree that access shouldn't be so easy. The CBT should be a little tougher (although within reason) and there should be much more focus on riding sensibly. Still, it's hard to legislate for the mentality of 16 year olds. Boys will be boys, after all. There's no point going through the highway code, front to back, if the audience ain't listening. It's tricky, because, lets be honest, man to man, most 16 year olds are barely mature enough to feed themselves..

Many of you may be on big bikes now, but how many of you can claim - honestly - that you weren't arseholes when you first started riding? Not many, I'll bet.

I don't really disagree with what you wrote. I just threw it back at you for effect. Key thing to remember: not every one riding a moped is scum, so lets not talk about, and treat, every moped rider as though they were.
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a problem with peds is the fact they are under powered meaning if you get in a situation theres more of a chance that you will have a problem. I think what makes 'ped bois' ride like dicks is because there inpatient. Rather than wait the extra 10 seconds they will just do it..
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PostPosted: 16:19 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh look its the lets put down some more bikers polis! Police

The idea of making the cbt slightly harder wouldnt work, i was sensible on the cbt, i try to get the most out of my bike, as you would if your underpowered. I find the fact that pedbois are made out to be in the minority of bad riders quite funny, Ive saw a fareshare of people riding bigger bikes that cant ride for shit either.

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PostPosted: 16:48 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

tutton wrote:
Oh look its the lets put down some more bikers polis! Police

Oh look, it's the "let's support all bikers, even if they murder kittens polis" Police Wink.

The examples he reported weren't 'trying to get the most out of your bike' - they were what he, to his mind, considered dangerous riding.
Presumably if he saw a load of people riding bigger bikes on the pavement etc, he would also be complaining.

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so lets not talk about, and treat, every moped rider as though they were.

Again, he wasn't. Does seem like a lot of 50cc riders seem to have a bit of a 'victim mentality' when anything bad is mentioned (and I'm sure this will just help that Wink ).


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PostPosted: 16:52 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

People with anodised devil spunk also kill kittens not just pedboys!! Wink

Depends what you clasify dangerious riding as too, in the eyes of the law although a wheelie takes considerable more talent to pull off than normal riding, its considered dangerous riding?
Although it takes a good rider to be able to wheelie, but the police would still give you points for it. and probably a fine.

Im not nessarasily a pedboy as i ride a geared 50, but i still see why they ride like that, its all about cheap thrills, although i use mine more for pure transport.
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PostPosted: 17:11 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about we change it to whoever wheres a tracksuit and Nike trainers is not aloud a moped Laughing

That is the minority that you are talking about.
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