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bugsy46
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 11 Apr 2008    Post subject: Customers requests Reply with quote

Hey folks

So im just PDI'ng a new Honda ST1300 Pan and the parts guys bring up the heated grips, Honda averto alarm system and various other aftermarket tripe thats gotta be fitted.

Anyway, Bob the new owner who happens to work for us brings me Alpine car speakers and tomorow he's bringing in a JVC head unit which he wants fitting aswell! Bearing in mind these are rarely fitted to bikes or so i guess!?

Anyway I have no experience with car stereos but what I do know is this. They use a permanent live and switched live for the switching on of the radio and settings memory which is no problem, BUT!!, does anyone know what kind of current head units usually draw as I have yet to see the stereo and I cant find any specs online easily!

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PostPosted: 05:11 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps asking on a goldwing forum might be a better idea.
I would guess that the radio should come with some details of what connections it needs.
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PostPosted: 07:17 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hard to say without knowing the power output. 10-15 amps max would be a starting point for most standard stuff although 30-40 amps isn't unusual for higher powered stuff. Guess you'll have to wait and see what head unit it is.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

depending on the head unit it self, you are generally looking at around 150watts at full draw so roughly 12.5amps depending on the input voltage and the stereo it self.
a 15amp fuse should be more than enough for most stereos
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PostPosted: 17:49 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I just found out the speakers are 180W Im guessing that means each speaker right?! If so maybe this isnt such a good idea!
The head unit is a JVC 4x50w

I found out today that the honda goldwing OEM speakers are 15W only! Im thinking here of battery capacity and alternators working hard as the guy already has sat nav and heated grips.
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PostPosted: 18:58 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the jvc like most stereos list there power out put at the peak, not the actual rms value, which is about 18w per channel,
and the same can be said for speakers, if you were to put a real 180watts through them, you would blow them to peices Very Happy
you could happily power 500w speakers with 5w and they would still work fine,

the newer pans have a 660watt alternator and the older has 480watts, so there is plenty of power available for the stereo, usual headed grips draw about 20watts,
headlight 65w, i doubt that the injection stystem would draw more than 100w so you at least have a couple of hundred watts free Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:02 - 12 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just fit them and then take bets on how much weight he'll lose pushing the bus home with a flat battery Very Happy
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PostPosted: 06:07 - 13 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

hahahah! yeah might just do that!!!

I was thinking more of the battery capacity which If I remember is a 17 . Are we saying the car stereos draw amps to power it and then amps up to a maximum of what the speakers draw?
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PostPosted: 07:11 - 13 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the car stereo will draw a certain amount of current (amps) depending on the volume, (it will use a certain amoumt just having it on as well)
but your battery shouldnt really come into the equation, unless the knobber decides to turn it on while the bike isn't running,
the alternator should produce enough power to have it running all the time. the battery is just there to smooth out the wave form from he alternator and to start the bike.
hope that helps
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 13 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes my concern was the battery capacity in terms of how hard the alternator would have to work. For example, on the new transalp, if you run the fog lights and heated grips at the same time it fries the alternator.
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PostPosted: 08:37 - 13 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

the transalp runs a 340watt alternator, not close to the pans capicity,
but any electric motor/alternator should be run at atleast 90% full load at all times, thats why bikes are fitted with regulators, to dump the excess electricity. i'd say if the transalps are frying alternators, then its more likely of a problem with the regulators in them. or they are just shit alternators Very Happy

either way, as a spark i don't think you'll have a problem with fitting the stereo Karma
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PostPosted: 08:56 - 13 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you think it will benefit from smaller speakers!? Ie 15W type
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PostPosted: 10:57 - 13 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rating on the speakers is supposed to be the maximum power they can accept not the amount of power they draw. 15w would theoretically be too low if the unit is rated at 50w per channel, its just a matter of how high the volume is set.

180w is fine, 100w or 50w would be fine. Doesn't matter on the speaker rating, the current drain will be the same.
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PostPosted: 13:19 - 13 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cool thanks guys for the info. So my understanding,

If the stereo is 4x50W, it will draw 200W from the bike, bottom line regardless of speakers being 1W or 180W?
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 13 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Absolutely right on the speakers.

The 50w per channel is going to be way off the mark. I think Hmmmz suggested it was likely to be closer to 18w so 4x18= 72watts rms.
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PostPosted: 14:50 - 13 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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