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B_A_B
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PostPosted: 18:10 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Using main beam during the daytime??? Reply with quote

Is this actually illegal for motorcyclists.......or not?

I always have the main beam on wherever i go coz i`ll do anything that`s gonna improve my chances of being noticed......but some snotty cage driver came over to me today when i pulled up at asda and told me to turn them off in future coz i was breaking the law???

I nearly gave him a crack and told him to fuck off and mind his own business.....but i held back this time and just "yeah o.k whatever mate.....bye".

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PostPosted: 18:13 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wold not say it wouldbe illegal, you may get pulled cos it is causing a distraction to drivers.

Would rather that than some cager pulling out in front of you.
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have my high beams on during the day.

And at night all the time as well.

Have you seen the k5 headlight spread pattern.

Its tiny on just main beam.

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PostPosted: 18:21 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have my main headlight on low beam all the time too. Also means I don't have to remember to switch them on when it goes dark!
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PostPosted: 18:23 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some import bikes don't even have a switch, they are 'on' all the time.
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PostPosted: 18:51 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean main beam or full beam; full beam being accompanied by the little blue light, lighting up on you dash/console? If you ride with full beam on then yes you're going to tick people off, main beam however is not a problem.
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PostPosted: 18:52 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

When i say "main beam"....i actually mean "full beam"....

The main beam (or what i call dipped headlights) is always on as a feature of the bike but it`s only one side of the headlights.
When i stick the full beam on aswell i get a twin headlight effect and noticed more.

so just to clarify.....is FULL beam illegal during the daytime??
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

My little pug
as its a english bike, but was made for europe, so the dipped beam is on all the time lol.
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PostPosted: 19:10 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

High beem during the day and dipped beem at night. Done it since I started riding and my dads been doing it for a couple of years too.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

its better to use dipped headlight if you want to be seen.

The glare of full beam makes it harder for people to judge the distance you are away from them.

Done believe me ?

Park your bike up. Put the full beam on and walk about 50 paces down the road, and look back at your bike.

Do the same with dipped beam, and you will see what i mean.

If someone is coming out of a side road, and thinking that you are further away than you are because you are using full beam, then you could be in trouble.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Re: Using main beam during the daytime??? Reply with quote

As suggested, fullbeam is more likely to make it harder to judge speed and distance. Not a good thing to happen, to my mind.
Dipped beam can have the same effect.

Basically, the person can only seen a single 'point source' of light which may well be dazzling them.
While with just dipped or sidelights you can better make out the shape of the bike, so have more detail about it's speed and position.

I think it may be illegal to have fullbeam on when other vehicles etc are around? Definitely I'd consider it quite rude.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

If on the bike comes up behind me with full beam on whether I am filtering or just on a ride out I won't pull out the way for him/her if they want to pass. They will have to work their way past, same in the car, I will pull over for bikes if they are on dipped beam but not for the full beam fairies.

There is no need for it and as already said judging speed and distance when you are being dazzled is hard.
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

But atleast we get seen eh?????

I started doing it after a stupid bitch drove straight towards me down a 1-way exit and made me swerve out of the way...dumping the bike.
her excuse was "did you have lights on?..i couldnt see you".
(duh!!!).
as if driving down a 1-way wasn`t bad enough.....!...a single dipped headlight obviously isn`t enough for some car drivers.

If it`s not illegal i`m gonna carry on doing it regardless coz i`ve not had any near misses since i started using full beam.......whereas before it was a regular occurance for cars to pull out on me etc etc and then mime an apology through the window as i slammed the brakes on or drifted to the other side of the road to avoid them.
If it offends cagers......fuck it....
I can deal with them flashing me to dip my lights but i can`t deal with going over their bonnets coz they`re not looking for bikes.
If they showed more respect and made a point of being aware of motorcycles i wouldn`t have to use full beam.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

B_A_B wrote:
But atleast we get seen eh?????

I started doing it after a stupid bitch drove straight towards me down a 1-way exit and made me swerve out of the way...dumping the bike.
her excuse was "did you have lights on?..i couldnt see you".
(duh!!!).
as if driving down a 1-way wasn`t bad enough.....!...a single dipped headlight obviously isn`t enough for some car drivers.

If it`s not illegal i`m gonna carry on doing it regardless coz i`ve not had any near misses since i started using full beam.......whereas before it was a regular occurance for cars to pull out on me etc etc and then mime an apology through the window as i slammed the brakes on or drifted to the other side of the road to avoid them.
If it offends cagers......fuck it....
I can deal with them flashing me to dip my lights but i can`t deal with going over their bonnets coz they`re not looking for bikes.
If they showed more respect and made a point of being aware of motorcycles i wouldn`t have to use full beam.


Another fucking n00b idiot. Is it the weather bringing them out or what?
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like you'll get a tug for it...

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You MUST NOT

use any lights in a way which would dazzle or cause discomfort to other road users, including pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders use front or rear fog lights unless visibility is seriously reduced. You MUST switch them off when visibility improves to avoid dazzling other road users (see Rule 226)

In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.


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PostPosted: 20:19 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dipped beam at all times, can't turn it off and would never turn it off if i had the chance, i think all cars should be made to do the same and not just the odd volvo cars. But i hate those God damn Full beam warriors behind there X5's and Mercs blinding you so much that you can't see whats in front off you in the night or behind you for that matter. look in the side mirror and your blinded, look towards the road ahead and a X5 on the other side of the road is blinding you, where the fuck do you look!?
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeR wrote:
Looks like you'll get a tug for it...

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In stationary queues of traffic, drivers should apply the parking brake and, once the following traffic has stopped, take their foot off the footbrake to deactivate the vehicle brake lights. This will minimise glare to road users behind until the traffic moves again.


[Law RVLR reg 27]




My bikes don't have a parking brake...
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

B_A_B wrote:
But atleast we get seen eh?????


I certain circumstances you'll actually make yourself invisible to other road users (e.g. sun behind you etc..)

I worst case as G says it can make it impossible to judge distance and approach speed.

Damn right rude, and potentially dangerous thing to do.
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PostPosted: 20:28 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fahim wrote:
Dipped beam at all times, can't turn it off and would never turn it off if i had the chance, i think all cars should be made to do the same and not just the odd volvo cars.

Actually, bike safety campaigners are trying to ensure cars don't get permanent dipped beams, so that only bikes would have that. The idea being that if you see headlights during the day time, it'll be a bike.
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PostPosted: 20:29 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:
My bikes don't have a parking brake...

Are you sure? Double check it might've fallen off...
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PostPosted: 20:35 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

LeeR wrote:
Looks like you'll get a tug for it...


do you think i`d just get a lecture or would it be a fine??
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PostPosted: 20:38 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always ride with dipped headlights on.

The only times I ever use the full beams are when riding through country lanes and other dark area's at night. Occasionally use it to flash people but you have to be very careful when flashing people because wires can get crossed easily... (metaphorically)
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

bazza wrote:

Another fucking n00b idiot. Is it the weather bringing them out or what?


blah blah blah......what`s your problem?
I`m not a newb or an idiot FYI......but i`ve not been riding bikes for 100 years either.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just turn your full beam off and stop annoying every other road user! Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 18 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well obviously it'd depend on the copper, but as you're on a bike I'd expect nothing less than transportation, especially if you've got a small plate as well.

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