NTV650 Enging and bros 400 bike

Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

Hi all,
This is my first (of many I hope) post.
I have been riding a Honda Bros 400 for a couple of years now and the engine is getting out and tired. I had hear that it is possible to put the 650 engine of the equivalent bike the 600 NTV into my bros as the frames are the same.
Is this true? I'm currently looking at this engine on ebay: https://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=250237914265&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=015
Would it be suitable?
Any advice is appreciated.
Thanks
Les

gmanxiii · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Karma :

Hmm.. would you not have problems with the ntv being shaft drive and bros being chain driven? just looking at the 2nd photo and the pipe that comes out on the left is for the shaft drive i believe. Theres a 400 bros near me going for 395. could be worth it for spares?

https://gbmotorcycles.co.uk/BIKES%20FOR%20SALE%20PAGE%201.htm
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A PM may be in order?
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Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

Oh right I see way now. Man you would be passing out from the fumes when that engine heats up a and the paint melts.

Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

Irezumi aka Reuben · Carrot Top Joined: 28 Sep 2004 Karma :

Bros and NTV are completely different bikes.

You need a Bros 650 engine or a Transalp engine, I dont know if the latter is a straight swap, the former obviously is.

WildGoose · White Van Man Joined: 20 Mar 2002 Karma :

Apparently a 750 Africa Twin engine drops in fairly easily.

https://www.d-murray.co.uk/severe.htm here is an example.
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Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

Yeh that what I thought all right.
Am just at a bit of a cross roads as my bike is falling apart and I want to upgrade but cant afford to as yet ( I hope to be able to soon though) but can not decide to spend time on my bike. I brought it over from Ireland and can not register it here till I get an MOT but that will cost me £500!
Decisions decisions.

gmanxiii · World Chat Champion Joined: 20 Nov 2006 Karma :

£500 quid! you might as well flog your current one as spares get a few hundred + the 500 and get another bike!
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MattBlackCust... · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

You would have to change the gearboxes over for a NTV engine, so ain't worth the hassle, but a Transalp or african twin engine will go straight in, infact, you can run the off you standard 400 wiring loom, but for full power, it's berst to swap over everything. With some mods, a TL1000 engine will go in as well. Wink

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Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

MattBlackCust... · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

When I fitted the transalp lump in what is now Nates Bros, I used the standard 400 wiring and black box, all I had to change was the pick up coils, I just replaced the transalp one for the bros one. I also used the bros carbs not the transalp carbs but used the transalp jets. Worked fine for me. I also changed the sprockets, two less front and two more on the back. It was featured in 100% Biker:

https://www.mattblackcustoms.co.uk/urbansbros.htm
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Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

That sounds like the job for me. All I need now is the engine. Any suggestions? Nothin on ebay at moment. I'll call junk yard near me but if you have any other ideas that would be great.

Les

MattBlackCust... · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

I did a deal with Junction 25 bike breakers for mine, just look in local breakers.
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Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

Yeah, junction 25 is the one near me I think.
Thanks. The bros you did looks mean man!

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Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

Where you at and do you have a photo and details?

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Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

Is it a bros 650 or transalp?
Where exactly are ya as I would have to talk my girl into driving over.
Also 50 squid for engine that is not sure if running is bit steep but if do make trip will haggle on day.

yankeedoodle · Nearly there... Joined: 11 Mar 2007 Karma :

didnt ratbikenate do this with his survival bros?? give him a pm Thumbs Up

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Lsdinc · Two Stroke Sniffer Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Karma :

I understand. Am just trying to clarify, what type of engine is it and what exactly your offering?
You mentioned a 'shaft' there. I can definetly not do it if it has a shaft. I'm looking for a bros or transalp engine.