Extension on a Producer?

[TiN]

Hello...can someone please confirm that we have a right to extend the period on the producer by another 7 days? My insurance company told me this, as they still haven't sent me an insurance certificate.

Cheers,
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TiN
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[dainesefreak]

Not sure mate, give TC a shout.

[Ste]

Ask them to fax you a cover note, or get it faxed to the police station if you don't have a fax machine. Or ask Korn, I hear he has a good printer

[Ian (GPX)]

If they can't send you a fax of it cos you don't have a fax, get them to e-mail it to you.

[Ste]

Cos the Police will believe something which is an obvious print out

[dainesefreak]

Not sure if they will accept a fax or copy in that way. Why don't you pressure the insurance company and tell them to phone the Police to explain the situation. I would put the onus on them rather than worrying about it myself.

[hugo-a-gogo]

the one time i had something like this, the cops said they had to charge me with failing to produce, but then when i did show them it eventually they dropped the charge
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[Scooby]

Just get them to send the bloody cover note. When I had my NSR insured I didn't get a cover note for ages, then when I did it had just about ran out, then the next one was about 2 weeks behind, so I just rang my insurance company and said crack on I've had a producer and they sent it the next day
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[TiN]

Just went to see plod. I managed to get a letter of indemnity faxed through from the insurance company, so brought that along. He's giving me until Thursday evening now, but I think that as long as I produce the certificate at some point along the line, I shouldn't get charged with anything. Hopefully the certificate will arrive by the end of the week.

I didn't have a cover not for the period that I had the accident in, but even if I did, it wouldn't have been sufficient anyway. The insurance company are well aware of my situation, so hopefully they'll get off their arses and press the "print" button on their computer screens.
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[Key Walshe]

When I first got my Mito I was issued a producer by a traffic bike cop and I didn't have a policy number on my Cover Note so the Police wouldn't accept it. They filled in the forms anyway and said just to get my proper forms and come back as soon as I do with the copies of the forms they'd filled in already to show that I had produced once and explained the situation.

About a week after I was supposed to have taken in my producer my cover note arrived with a policy number this time so I took it in, along with the duplicate of my last visit and all my other documents (CBT & Prov. License) and the woman at the counter said that was fine. I heard nothing about it and since that's happened several times with not having the correct cover note etc. but the local station has always been ok with it as I've explained the situation and always got it sorted asap. Hope that helps, if not then it was just a waste of your time
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[MarJay]

When I had my "Bad accident" I got a producer. I phoned up my insurance company the next day (I got it on a sunday). They said "Yeah, we'll have a certificate to you within the next three days. The police had told me that a cover note was insufficent and the certificate had to obviously cover me on the day I had the accident.

three days later, I recieved - you guessed it, a cover note begginging two days after the accident. I phoned them again.

"Look," I said, "I need that certificate by saturday night at the very latest otherwise I'm going to be charged with riding without insurance!"

"Ok Sir, no problem. It will be with you by friday."

So friday came and went. No certificate.

I went to the police station. "Excuse me, I have this producer and my insurance company haven't sent me the certificate yet! I rang them on monday and they aid they would, but they havent!"

The civilian desk klerk made a sucking noise through his teeth. "I don't think that will wash you know sonny. I have to get these producers onto these special pads and sent off within two days. If it goes to court I'm not sure it will wash! Bring the certificate in as soon as you get it, but I don't think it will help."

I was back on the phone at 8am on monday as soon as my insurance company opened. "Look, a repersentative from your company said that you would send me my certificate. Am I or am I not covered for that date? If not then I'll tell them I was the victim of fraud. It might not wash, but members of your company might face some interesting questions!"

"Oh no no sir of course you are covered! The certificate will be with you tomorrow."

The next day I received the certificate in the second post. I rushed down to the police station after work. This time a pair of pretty WPCs were behind the desk. no civilians this time. I had to wait while a man handed in a small puppy which had evidently become separated from its owner. Luckily the puppy was extremely cute, and the two ladies went all mushy over it.

I walked up to the desk after the puppy was put into a kennel. "Hello, I got this producer last week, but my insurance company didn't send me the certificate until today. I phoned them at the beginning of last week. The guy who was here on saturday said that I might get taken to court!"

"Well, he was telling you the wrong thing! as long as you ARE covered for that date, I can't see the courts wasting their time on it. "

Phew.

Damn civilian police emloyees!
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[T.C]

Two points to make here! Firstly, only the Police can agree to an extension of time normally allowed. When you are stopped and the requirement to produce your documents is made, you are issued with a form HO/RT1. You are then given 7 clear days from midnight of that day to produce your documents at a Police station of your choice. If the documents are not produced within that seven days, then the offences of not having and/or failing to produce are committed.

However, for various reasons, problems do arise, and providing you have a valid reason to request an extension, then a policeman has discretionary authority to extend that period of time. If you do request an extension, and it is granted, then make sure that you get the name, rank and number together with the station of the officer granting the extension, and secondly get a note to that affect signed and station stamped and dated so that it does not leave it open for a denial to be made later on when a summons comes through the post.

As far as a cover note is concerned, this is your certificate of insurance, albeit a temporary certificate, but valid none the less. If a Policeman or civilian refuses to accept the cover note then make sure you kick up a stink! The reason cover notes are issued in the first place is to prove that you are covered by third party risk insurance, and it is accepted by the Post office when you tax the bike, the DVLA when you want to register a bike, and a Policeman if he stopped you on the side of the road. The Police cannot refuse to accept your cover note as proof of cover, and the cover note serial number can be traced back to you in any case, bearing in mind that it carries all the relevant details that they require.
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[G]

The civilian clerk that I had at Reading police station did seem to be a bit of a trumped up ****. She made a big fuss about my CBT being expired, despite me having a test pass certificate etc etc.
Waited 40 minutes or something stupid for her to wander around trying to get an answer.

[T.C]

[Ste]

Do you have to specify a station when you are given a producer?

[EuropeanNC30R...]

If you are on a restricted licence when you have your producer are you required to produce your 33hp certificate, assuming you are riding a bike of normally over 33hp?

[MarJay]

[Ste]

It's not part of it, but I believe they can ask for proof of restriction. I wonder if taking them the washers will act as proof

[Ian (GPX)]

[LordFartzalot]

I had a problem with not having an MOT once, namely i couldnt find the damn thing anywhere. Left it last minute as usual to sort out, so the copy took longer to arrive than i needed. A quick explanation and production of the rest of my docs, and they were very understanding. Basically, just told to produce it as soon as i got it

[T.C]

[Jimmy]

When I got a producer in my car I took all my documents to the Police station.

The copper noticed that the insurance details (number plate) was different on the cover note to the V5 and MOT forms. I hadn't noticed as I hadn't really checked it. He was such a nice man he actually phoned my insurance to verify my policy, corrected my details for me and then requested them to send me a new cover note. What a top bloke!!!! Still got banned though
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