Desmo or British Superbikes? Which is faster!

[mark83]

Right guys and gals, just a bit of midweek fun!

If you entered a stock Ducati Desmosedici in the British Superbike championship how well do you think it would do?

This is assuming:

- all bikes were on the same tyres
- The Desmo's suspension was correctly set up (without changing any parts though...)
- if rider ability wasn't taken into consideration

I'm talking purely from a bike point of view.
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[Wave2k]

Not very well, BSB bikes put out over 200bhp at the wheel and are very light.
So they have more power and less weight already.

Desmo = 37k
BSB Bikes = well over 50k
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[G]

I thought the 'desmo' was supposed to put out 200hp or so? Or is that a 'claimed crank' figure?

Superbikes are limited to no less than 165kg still, I think. Not sure the weight of the Desmo; be a bit disapointing if it's much more than this.

You can usually buy last-year's mid-pack four-cylinder BSB bike for around 15k with some spares at the end of the season.
Could probably quite easily get a V5 (no MOT for three years too ) and stick on some light weight road kit on.
Factor in another, say, 1k for a decent-ish engine refresh.

That's a hell of a lot of bike for money compared to the Duke. Would look and sound better too .

[Wave2k]

I would say the claimed 200mph is crank figure, the front end BSB bikes put out that at the wheel.
Along with expensive goodies.
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[mark83]

[Wave2k]

because its closer to a motoGP bike to a BSB bike in the way its set up, its designed as a road going motogp rep.

A gsxr1000 is a road bike tuned and converted to a full on race bike.

Plus how many V4 motors do you see in superbikes today ?
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[G]

Seen it's claimed dry weight as 171kg. MotoGP bike is 135kg.

As an idea, my hardly-touched race 675 came in at 175kg with some fuel.

The journos are probably reading the marketing hyper-bole that Ducati is spouting - they do seem to have a bad habit of just copying it verbatim, even after they've ridden the bike, in some cases.

[mark83]

Good points all round.

I'd love to have a go on both and give you my verdict! lol

I'll have to ask my mate what he thinks coz he used to race in the BSB a while back. Did all his own tuning and had a masters degree in engineering etc.

Plus, and most important of all, he used to race a ZX10R = certified nutter.


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[Tricolor Fan]

Do you mean a stock Desmosedici or a stock Desmosedici RR?

Yes, I'm being pedantic!

Desmosedici GP06 = ~230 RWHP

Desmosedici RR = ~180 RWHP

Sacrificed some horsepower to make that V4 reliable enough, but still not bad for 990cc road bike, I'm hoping the rumours may turn out to be true and the V4 is put in the successor to the 1098.
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I'd take a BSB bike every day of the week*. Power and weight aside (which may be the most obvious, but are not the only considerations), a top end British Superbike costs much more to put together than the Desmosedici and it shows in the components. If you consider that a top World Superbike costs in the region of £100k and a top BSB machine is very close in spec, you'll have an idea.




(* and I'd highside it out of the first corner... )

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[mark83]

[hairychipstic...]

most testers that tried the desmo said they would have probably been faster on a stock road 600 or 1000 as it doesnt work at all until you are going absolutely flat out
they also said it wouldnt work on the road well at all, so dont be too envious when you see the sunday posers out bouncing down the road and then highsiding if they try to give it stick
its a lovely rep, but i would imagine it would be kinda shit to try use on the road(altho im sure you would convince yourself it was worth it!)
id guess at 180 at the wheel with the race exhausts and around the same weight as the 1098

[Nixon]

surely if the desmo was faster than a BSB then there would be at least one team in this years line up riding one??

[G]

They're not homoglated for the series, I believe.

If we're talking 180hp at the rear wheel with race cans, then we're talking GSXR1000 kinda power, not moto-gp kinda power.
Disappointing, really.

[Tricolor Fan]

From what I've read even crippled down to 180 the way that V4 puts down the power makes a pig to ride.

It's a collectors item, very few will be used in anger, still would like one.
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[c_dug]

Id still say the BSB bike would win but bare in mind that when BIKE magasine tested the new ZX10R it was only 8 seconds slower than a moto GP bike, and thats with an arguably less skilled rider (ex super sport)

Assuming the desmodeci is a better bike round a track than the ZX (which according to the reviews it should be) then it really cant be that far off the superbike times.

Thats the way it seems to me anyway.

c_dug

p.s. BIKE feb 2008 if anybody wants to see for themselves
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