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PostPosted: 23:44 - 29 Apr 2008    Post subject: Honda reccomend running the engine before checking oil Reply with quote

So i've been doing exactly that on the hornet. The thing is, it's a pain in the arse. I run the bike for a few minutes on the side stand and then sit on the bike, turn the ignition off, wait for three minutes then check the oil (whilst still sat on the bike upright). This means it takes approximately 5 minutes to check my oil. I fear that if I don't find an alternate way i'll get lazy and something will go very very wrong!

I'm guessing the residual oil that gets flung round the engine on startup doesn't count towards the level? Would it not be ok for me to just sit on the bike with it upright and check the oil before I start it.

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PostPosted: 05:13 - 30 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What you suggest should be OK, so long as the level is at the top of the range.
Try testing it the honda way, then your way when you 1st get on next day and see how much diffrence there is and use that as your guide.
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PostPosted: 05:33 - 30 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check your oil 5 minutes after you come back from riding it Smile

I wouldn't panic too much. As iooi said check it cold and make sure it's at the top of the sight-glass.
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PostPosted: 06:48 - 30 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always checked mine stone cold, it's a wet sump, so I figured check it like all other wet sump motors.

It's up to you though, I'm just lazy. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 30 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
What you suggest should be OK, so long as the level is at the top of the range.
Try testing it the honda way, then your way when you 1st get on next day and see how much diffrence there is and use that as your guide.


The way honda reccomend doing it seems to be quite inaccurate! If you wait for 2 minutes for example after turning the engine off before checking the oil level it will show to be low. However, if you wait for 3 minutes it shows full. Considering the manual says "a few minutes" for both running and then standing, how many minutes is this? stupid! I think i'm gonna check my oil level before I start the bike up today and if it's full then I'll just start using that as a guide. If it's "overfull" then i'll have to do what you said and figure out the difference.

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PostPosted: 14:09 - 30 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think someone's got their wires crossed a bit.

Honda say do this after an oil change, that's all.

According to them, to check my CBR's oil level before a ride it's simply, 'but the bike on the centrestand, wipe the dipstick and then check the level without screwing it back in.'

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PostPosted: 14:18 - 30 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:
I think someone's got their wires crossed a bit.

Honda say do this after an oil change, that's all.

According to them, to check my CBR's oil level before a ride it's simply, 'but the bike on the centrestand, wipe the dipstick and then check the level without screwing it back in.'

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In the hayne's manual it does say to idle it for "several minutes"

I've never bothered though.
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PostPosted: 18:34 - 30 Apr 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Remember that the engine is only "using" the oil that is being pumped by the oil pump at any one time. The sump is merely a reservoir of oil that the pump draws from. Whilst it's true that having a low oil level will shorten the oil's lifespan, so long as there's enough in there that the pump never sucks air, no harm will be done in the short-term.
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 01 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Timmeh wrote:
I think someone's got their wires crossed a bit.

Honda say do this after an oil change, that's all.

According to them, to check my CBR's oil level before a ride it's simply, 'but the bike on the centrestand, wipe the dipstick and then check the level without screwing it back in.'

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I'm confident I haven't. On page 33 of the user manual titled "Engine Oil - Engine oil level check" it says:

Check the oil level each day before riding the motorcycle. The level must be maintained between the upper and lower marks on the dipstick.

1. Start the engine and let it idle for a few minutes. Make sure the low oil pressure indicator goes off. If the light remains on, stop the engine immediately.
2. Stop the engine and hold the motorcycle in an upright position on firm, level ground.
3. After a few minutes, remove the oil filler cap/dipstick, wipe clean, and reinsert the dipstick without screwing it in. Remove the dipstick. The oil level should be between the upper and lower marks on the dipstick.

Hope this doesn't make me sound like a cocky prick but I just wanted to state what the manual says.

So would it be ok to just check it on level ground from cold?
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PostPosted: 04:52 - 01 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

That is what I would do - and make sure you maintain it near the top mark.
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PostPosted: 07:05 - 01 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always checked mine from cold and I haven't lunched a motor......yet. Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 01 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will start checking it from cold then. Cheers ppl!
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PostPosted: 20:33 - 01 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geri wrote:
Remember that the engine is only "using" the oil that is being pumped by the oil pump at any one time. The sump is merely a reservoir of oil that the pump draws from. Whilst it's true that having a low oil level will shorten the oil's lifespan, so long as there's enough in there that the pump never sucks air, no harm will be done in the short-term.


Not totally true, some components are splash lubricated, if there is not enough oil then it can't splash! Also the oil has an important cooling function, again not enough oil then what there is may get too hot and oxidise plus the engine may run hotter.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 01 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

just check it cold.....it be fine........you'll also find that your user manual for the bike tells you to check the tyre pressures, lights and horn before every ride............


....yeah right.......like you do!

As long as the oil is between the min and max it will be fine from cold.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 01 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

what ever you do... dont forget to check it Embarassed

i start mine, let it idle, turn it off after 30 secs, lube the chain, then check the oil. sorted.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 02 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

half_lyfe wrote:
what ever you do... dont forget to check it Embarassed

i start mine, let it idle, turn it off after 30 secs, lube the chain, then check the oil. sorted.


What actually happened with your's? Did you leave it for a long time before checking it or did you notice the dreaded puddle too late or was it burning oil?
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rockhopper wrote:
Geri wrote:
Remember that the engine is only "using" the oil that is being pumped by the oil pump at any one time. The sump is merely a reservoir of oil that the pump draws from. Whilst it's true that having a low oil level will shorten the oil's lifespan, so long as there's enough in there that the pump never sucks air, no harm will be done in the short-term.


Not totally true, some components are splash lubricated, if there is not enough oil then it can't splash! Also the oil has an important cooling function, again not enough oil then what there is may get too hot and oxidise plus the engine may run hotter.


Agreed, some stuff is splash-lubricated, and the oil does cool internal components, though most of the cooling that oil does on modern engines is from pump-fed oil jets squirting on the pistons.
My reference to the shortened lifespan was due to the lower volume of oil doing the cooling and therefore elevating the oil temperatures though I should have explained that. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 03 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just noticed my VFR's oil is 2mm under min :S
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PostPosted: 02:09 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just check it before you go out, like you check your tyres Wink
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PostPosted: 08:29 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Toby R wrote:
Just noticed my VFR's oil is 2mm under min :S


Ka-boom!

Hope you've topped it up now.
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PostPosted: 18:46 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
In the hayne's manual it does say to idle it for "several minutes"

I've never bothered though.


Every Haynes I have for a Honda says that, I tend to let it rest for a while after I get back from a ride and then check it.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 05 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Ham wrote:
Toby R wrote:
Just noticed my VFR's oil is 2mm under min :S


Ka-boom!

Hope you've topped it up now.


Yeah, topped it up and rode it to dealers for a oil change ASAP.

Should be alright, If not, Viffer engines aren't that expensive.

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