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PostPosted: 07:57 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: You ever wonder why people dont help people anymore? Reply with quote

Man seen holding hands with child reported to the police!

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"Officers have met with both the young girl, and the family member who was with her on the bus.

"The police say there was no criminal conduct. They consider the case closed."


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So there you have it, its not illegal to hold a related child's hand while in a busy public transport system but you can be questioned for it!
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a sick world where you can't hold the hand of a child without being reported to the police. Some people really have been completely brainwashed by the media. I'm sure some people spend their whole life just dying to report any little worry they have about anything others are doing..

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PostPosted: 08:35 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but there are predatory paedophiles lurking around every street corner, just waiting to pounce, aren't there Rolling Eyes...children should be locked up at home to protect them from this sick evil world...oh, wait... Thinking
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hold my daughters hand anywhere where theres a chance of her getting hurt or lost if she runs off ie busy streets and crossing the road.

I'm going to have to start wathching my back. If I get spotted letting her drop crumbs whilst holding her hand I'll be going down for a long time. Wink Laughing
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PostPosted: 09:32 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

gsxrmick wrote:
I'm going to have to start wathching my back. If I get spotted letting her drop crumbs whilst holding her hand I'll be going down for a long time. Wink Laughing


So you only feed your daughter crumbs!? Confused Shame on you!!

I'm calling the police to report you right now!


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PostPosted: 11:01 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

That Joseph Fritzl was years ahead of his time. He was keeping his family safe by locking them in a cellar. It's only a matter of years till child welfare campaigners will be protesting for the same actions to be made compulsory!
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PostPosted: 11:20 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its so scary now, you see a lost child and you are afraid to go over and try to help, unless you have the Mrs with you.....

It really has got the the point now where its stupid. Evil or Very Mad


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A passenger noticed a man holding the child's hand. That passenger says she overheard the girl say she was hungry, and the man told her to 'Please be quiet.'


Guess that person ain't got kids of their own then...... Like there is a buffet car on every bus where you can get some food from..... Laughing

Maybe it was the fact it was a polite answer and not shut the F*** up that allerted the person to a possible danger. Idea
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dig Deeper and apparently this is what the Virginia Department of Health officials want people to think!

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PostPosted: 11:48 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
Its so scary now, you see a lost child and you are afraid to go over and try to help, unless you have the Mrs with you.....

It really has got the the point now where its stupid. Evil or Very Mad


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A passenger noticed a man holding the child's hand. That passenger says she overheard the girl say she was hungry, and the man told her to 'Please be quiet.'


Guess that person ain't got kids of their own then...... Like there is a buffet car on every bus where you can get some food from..... Laughing

Maybe it was the fact it was a polite answer and not shut the F*** up that allerted the person to a possible danger. Idea


Im reminded of a conversation between me and an old work colleague who was training to be a lawyer. I said what would you do in a case of you having to defend someone accused of being a paedophile, he said "I wouldnt do it, I aint defending some sick bastard like that", to which I replied "But he might be innocent"

"ah well if he's been accused he must have obviously done something to provoke that"

I then said imagine the scenario, your in a shopping centre, you see a small kid crying his eyes out calling out for his mom, what do you do? He said he'd take the kid to security office/lost property/information desk. I said yeah but on the way there the parent shows up again, see's you taking their child away, it looks suspect on the old CCTV, she screams paedophile, your arrested and questioned, and by your earlier logic you wouldnt be able to get a lawyer since none would want to defend you.

Its a scary scenario when you think you can have your name dragged through the dirt and some serious permanent damage done in terms of your reputation for the sake of some mother/father who cared more about checking out that nice dress in the shop window than keeping their eye on their kid

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PostPosted: 12:01 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was working at a theme park last Summer I found a little girl, probably about 6, lost and crying her eyes out. I did exactly what I would have done if it was my sister or whatever, namely picked her up, gave her a hug and took her to the nearest park attendants who had walkie talkies so they could find her Mum. It wasn't until afterwards that I realised that that sort of reassurance and the natural urge to comfort a child in distress could have been seen as evil abuse or whatever.
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PostPosted: 12:15 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a difficult one, but ultimately if I was in the situation of seeing a little boy/girl lost and bawling their eyes out - and it was pretty obvious they were lost. I'd rather pick 'em up and take them to the nearest help desk/centre/police station and hand them in with the risk of being arrested and questioned as a paedophile, than walk past ignoring the kid and forever wonder if you did the right thing or not...
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PostPosted: 12:55 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed I was asked in return what would I do in such a situation, and I said that the only thing to do would be fetch some security and point the lost kid out....but of course this isnt without its flaws, in that the kid may not be there when you return for whatever reason, malicious or otherwise.

It was to much the horror of many of the female collegues that I said my only other option would be to walk away. Yep, sounds harsh to some, but when that Paedo hammer comes down over your head you will probably spend a good few years trying to clear your name, an even if you do people will always hold some kind of grudge against you. I recall one case where a man unknowingly got a virus that was downloading child pornography onto his computer, police caught tracked it down, que the guy spending 3 years proving his innocence, and in the meantime losing his job, wife and kids and had to move to another side of the country in order to start his life again.

So in a way I guess im saying I value my own life over being racked with guilt because of a bad parents incompetance in looking after their children.

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PostPosted: 13:12 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

GhostRider wrote:
yada yada yada


I know where you coming from, as much as I wouldn't like to walk away, I'd have to put my children first, I cant image the effect it would have on them for their father to be even suspected of being a pedo let alone dragged thought he papers.

Plus you often hear about good Samaritans being killed while trying to do a good dead, Ill never forget a story from Manchester city centre where a guy my age had interviewed when a guy was hitting a woman, he got clobbered by the pair of them fell and hit his head on the ground being killed instantly.

So what happens when little lost childs smack head dad turns up to find you leading his little angel away (to find help)???
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PostPosted: 13:41 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

powelly wrote:
as much as I wouldn't like to walk away, I'd have to put my children first?


Nice one, great priorities you have there.

Leave a seemingly lost child on their own to save your own reputation and/or agro. Since when did we become such cowards? Middle Finger
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PostPosted: 13:54 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Leave a seemingly lost child on their own to save your own reputation and/or agro. Since when did we become such cowards? Middle Finger


It's not that 'we' have changed, just that the country has. Not that long ago this concern would be non-existent, people would've had absolutely no reason to think they'd be punished for doing a good deed.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
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as much as I wouldn't like to walk away, I'd have to put my children first?


Nice one, great priorities you have there.

Leave a seemingly lost child on their own to save your own reputation and/or agro. Since when did we become such cowards? Middle Finger


No one is saying that they would just leave a kid in the street, however these days its not so black and white as you make out, and its not that we are a nation of cowards, we are a nation who's attitudes have changed, and who know that "help" isnt often just round the corner.

Without being in the situation I cant say for certain what actions I would take but its realistic to say that my concerns would not just be for the safety of the child, its a sad fact but its true.

I've helped lost kids before, and I'd do it again, but I would just walk up to them grab them by the hand or pick them up and hug them
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dom wrote:

It's not that 'we' have changed.


Laughing Of course we have!

Nowadays we are the equivalent of dumbed down domesticated animals, living in a fantasy world, sat there unblinkingly watching our television sets meanwhile dreaming of owning the fake tat and baubles that companies sell us 24/7. Cowardly scum that doesn't even realise the scumbag, self centred, decadent world we've created. We're the dumb, fat kid stuffing our faces with chocolate.

Of course we've changed, and not for the better. Razz
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PostPosted: 14:28 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
Dom wrote:

It's not that 'we' have changed.


Laughing Of course we have!

Nowadays we are the equivalent of dumbed down domesticated animals, living in a fantasy world, sat there unblinkingly watching our television sets meanwhile dreaming of owning the fake tat and baubles that companies sell us 24/7. Cowardly scum that doesn't even realise the scumbag, self centred, decadent world we've created. We're the dumb, fat kid stuffing our faces with chocolate.

Of course we've changed, and not for the better. Razz


Christ, talk about going off on a tangent. Apologies for not qualifying my statement with '... in the context of this particular area of conversation'. You only managed to fit the word scum in twice too, I'm a little disappointed. Ten points for the domesticated animals line though.

I suspect that just as many people would want to help some poor lost kiddie now as would have wanted to 50 odd years ago. My point is that now there is a much greater motivation for not helping, which was never there before.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's much more complicated than you describe. We've been trained to snitch on each other, always watching for the boogyman under the duvet. Don't talk to each other, don't discuss real issues, no no no. Tut Tut

Have you tried talking to other people recently? If the topic's not football or X-Factor then they stare at you like you're speaking Martian. Duhhhh...

We're just a bunch of cowardly idiots. I think it's about time we realised.
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

beanfeast wrote:
It's a difficult one, but ultimately if I was in the situation of seeing a little boy/girl lost and bawling their eyes out - and it was pretty obvious they were lost. I'd rather pick 'em up and take them to the nearest help desk/centre/police station and hand them in with the risk of being arrested and questioned as a paedophile, than walk past ignoring the kid and forever wonder if you did the right thing or not...



Its the thing we would all like to do, but there is that scare factor involved.
I think rather that walk off with said child, stay with them and get someone else to go for security, might be the safer option. At least that way you cannot be accused of trying to take the child away. Even better get someone else to stand with you as well, safety in numbers.
Losing a child is one thing all parents dread, and to me i would be most greatfull to anyone who helped get my child back. Rather than the many who would stand there accusing them of being a pedo or such.... Mainly i guess because they could not care less about what they have done.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

This has happened it was at the end of last year, there was an inquest into how a child had died , a van driver going home one afternoon spotted a toddler at the side of the road in the country.

He didn't stop....

He said if he stopped he would have been labeled a paedo or the killer.
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PostPosted: 01:26 - 14 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thing is, we're quite young and in a shopping center etc its probably not so bad.

Thing is, even when I worked in Tesco it was always abit erm, cautious. Half the time you'd just be off to walk em down to the customer services, and then the parents would round the corner and glare at you.

Rolling Eyes

But meh, i'm not worried about the peado stuff so much. What seriously concerns me is a girl calling rape. I've had it once, and I got enough crap off of that until I randomly found out she'd done it to another guy.
My only defence was logic, but as usual women will never admit they were weak, it was the man being a liar/predator Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 06:59 - 14 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:


Have you tried talking to other people recently? If the topic's not football or X-Factor then they stare at you like you're speaking Martian. Duhhhh...

If that's the response you get, I suggest you find a new social circle. Thumbs Up Smile Probably the only real decent thing about uni, can have a decent discussion about anything. However if the topic is onto celebrities we all usually give a blank stare. Laughing
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PostPosted: 07:20 - 18 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
It's much more complicated than you describe. We've been trained to snitch on each other, always watching for the boogyman under the duvet. Don't talk to each other, don't discuss real issues, no no no. Tut Tut

Have you tried talking to other people recently? If the topic's not football or X-Factor then they stare at you like you're speaking Martian. Duhhhh...

We're just a bunch of cowardly idiots. I think it's about time we realised.
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Kris, that made me think of 1984.

Talking to an acquaintance recently about the motorcycle test question regarding finding the scene of an accident and what one should do, he said "if you see an accident, just ride on by. If you try to help and someone dies, you'll be up on a charge". I could see his point but found it hard to agree with him.

I guess if I spotted a crying kid in the street, I'd enlist the help of another adult to escort the kid to safety.
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 18 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

That one about not trying to help in an accident is bad.

It can be dodgy when untrained people do dangerous first aid, but even stopping and calling 999 and managing traffic so further accidents dont happen is better than nothing.

There was some psychology experiment done, where a situation was created in the street where someone needed help.

If there were a fewer number of onlookers, someone would help, but if there were loads, no one would feel obliged, so no one would help.

Mob mentality at its finest.
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