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WILDECELT
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PostPosted: 00:29 - 10 May 2008    Post subject: Boris bike lanes ? Reply with quote

So what do you all think ?
Will Boris stick to his word and allow bikers in the big smoke ( London ) to use bus lanes ?. A plus for general safety i think
Or will the cyclist lobby be up in arms crying into their green eco one armed peruvian lesbian made scarf's, that bikers pose a threat to law abiding cyclists and maybe in mass protest they will start staying at traffic lights when red, rather than jumping them at any opportunity and crossing lanes when they feel like it and cutting other road users up ?
Ps I'm not anti cyclist Laughing I just feel as a motorcyclist we are bottom of the pecking order when it comes to safety and common sense in London due to the image of promoting London as a green eco city
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PostPosted: 12:18 - 10 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be fantastic to be a motorcyclist in London with free run of the bus lanes with no equivocation, so I am definately hoping he will.

As far as I am concerned, until cyclists start abiding by the highway code, they have no rights to demand anything, bollocks to them.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 10 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gve him 12 months to sort out the logistics/signs/rules of it all. If he does do it and does it well then there can be no excuse for ALL bus lanes around the country to be used by Bikers.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can see the hate for bikers going up a notch if this was to take place. Everyone sweating in their cars, in a long line of traffic & the bikers have their lane getting home at a nice time.
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PostPosted: 18:44 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt it would make anyone hate bikers if they didn't already - their annoyance at our fast transit will be balance by their chuckles of glee when it starts raining, and they're sitting in their nice warm/dry/music-filled cars.
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PostPosted: 21:58 - 11 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Misc wrote:
I can see the hate for bikers going up a notch if this was to take place. Everyone sweating in their cars, in a long line of traffic & the bikers have their lane getting home at a nice time.


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I doubt it would make anyone hate bikers if they didn't already - their annoyance at our fast transit will be balance by their chuckles of glee when it starts raining, and they're sitting in their nice warm/dry/music-filled cars.


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PostPosted: 15:39 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be fair, I can only see minimal advantage of being able to ride in a bus lane.

You are sharing a lane with big diesel buses. Higher chance of diesel spills if you ask me. We all know that is a bikers favourite excuse for crashing.

Also, you are aware that buses stop every 100 metres or so? So anytime you are following one, you will then have the ballache of passing it, whilst hoping some dumb pedestrian isn't running out in front of the bus to cross the road.

Add into this the fact that when buses pull out they believe that as soon as their right indicator is flicked on they are automatically allowed to pull out and carry on with their own business.

Bus lanes are used quite a lot by buses and taxis in Coventry, so can't imagine what it is like in London, but I can't really see many benefits from being able to use a bus lane.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon B wrote:
To be fair, I can only see minimal advantage of being able to ride in a bus lane.

You are sharing a lane with big diesel buses. Higher chance of diesel spills if you ask me. We all know that is a bikers favourite excuse for crashing.


The bus lanes where I am seem to be mostly comprised of shellgrip - or something similar. As most traffic isn't allowed on them for most of the day, they tend to have less debris and spillages in them rather than more.

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Also, you are aware that buses stop every 100 metres or so? So anytime you are following one, you will then have the ballache of passing it, whilst hoping some dumb pedestrian isn't running out in front of the bus to cross the road.

Add into this the fact that when buses pull out they believe that as soon as their right indicator is flicked on they are automatically allowed to pull out and carry on with their own business.

Bus lanes are used quite a lot by buses and taxis in Coventry, so can't imagine what it is like in London, but I can't really see many benefits from being able to use a bus lane.


Here in NW London, most bus lanes run along the side of stationary traffic (stationary because it is 2 lanes' worth of traffic squeezed into one). As such, being able to actually use the bus lane rather than filter along the inside of the traffic is a massive improvement, and ducking around the side of buses is a small price to pay. As the buses are usually caught up in the gridlock caused by the aforementioned two lanes merging, you'd usually have a fairly clear run of it.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 12 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alot of the bus lanes on the A41 (London) can be used by motorbikes, and it rush hour, is definately the quickest way, if a bus is stopped, you move to the other lane, pass it, carry on to next bus.

Alot quicker than pootling past all the cars!
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Add into this the fact that when buses pull out they believe that as soon as their right indicator is flicked on they are automatically allowed to pull out and carry on with their own business.


To be fair this is what the highway code is telling other motorists, so the buses get a certain comfort zone in their own head "oh I have the right of way, so any collision based on me pulling out won't be my fault"

The average London bus driver isnt the sharpest tool.

The advantage would be huge for motorcyclists, and wouldnt inflict on car motorists one way or another, they may actually have it rubbed in their faces less, as due to the tunnel vision of most, they are less likely to notice a motorbike speeding past in a bus lane, compared to squeezing between their bumpers.

The A41, has been a success story for bikes, its been open to bikes since I first started riding a ped and riding it into London. Just imagine the joy of opening the bus lanes on park pane, piccadilly, kensington road, regent Street, baker Street, marylebone road, and any other number of overly congested ball aches of roads in the middle.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
To be fair this is what the highway code is telling other motorists, so the buses get a certain comfort zone in their own head "oh I have the right of way, so any collision based on me pulling out won't be my fault"

The average London bus driver isnt the sharpest tool.


The Highway Code just says you should let them out if you can safely. No must in there so the buses do not have priority.

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PostPosted: 15:07 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fairly certain that isnt what they are telling their drivers, nor in accordance with the stickers on the back of the bus.

The amount of buses that dangerously cut out on people seems to be on the rise. I have had buses pull out on me mid overtake leaving me nowhere to go, bloody nightmare in a semi large vehicle.

Maybe they just have to be more aggresive otherwise those stupid bendi buses would never move anywhere.
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PostPosted: 15:15 - 13 May 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

WildGoose wrote:
Fairly certain that isnt what they are telling their drivers, nor in accordance with the stickers on the back of the bus.


Not a clue what they tell their driver, but the notes on the backs of the buses are just deliberate misinformation.

All the best

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