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PostPosted: 02:08 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: LONDON FUEL BLOCKADE Reply with quote

I'm thinking that London needs to be brought to a complete standstill, that means meeting before rush hour and totally cutting off the routes into the capital, Many Bikes and Many Heavy Vehicles.
The bikes should go in and swarm the important places, the commerce areas, whitehall, tube stations, airports, around downing street and basically make an very noticable racket...
The city would be brought to a standstill and it would be chaos, I think it should last for several hours and the goverment would then really start to feel the pressure.
Anyone with me? Any London natives or resident anarchist's up for a spot of warplanning?

Note: Also posted in the 'UK National' Section for more awareness.
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PostPosted: 07:55 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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king756 from Clicky wrote:
Just read a story on the bbc for something completely different https://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7451933.stm

However this is interesting:

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The city council is also planning to charge those who organised last week's fuel protest £400 when they have been traced.


They want to charge them money for organising a protest!
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PostPosted: 08:47 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Need to get around Downing Street and outside the Houses of Parliament.

However, there is a 1km 'protest ban' around the HoP where you can be arrested for having a protest in this area.

So the solution is just to get a load of bikes and cars etc to drive through, more than usual and pretty slowly if you want. Go round Parliament Square a few times maybe. If a copper pulls you over for protesting it's a case of, "me? Nah, I'm just going to work". They can't arrest every single person driving within that 1km radius as there are normal people there as well. As long as you have nothing that identifies you to a protest, you should be alright.
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PostPosted: 09:08 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay HTFC wrote:

So the solution is just to get a load of bikes and cars etc to drive through, more than usual and pretty slowly if you want. Go round Parliament Square a few times maybe. If a copper pulls you over for protesting it's a case of, "me? Nah, I'm just going to work". They can't arrest every single person driving within that 1km radius as there are normal people there as well. As long as you have nothing that identifies you to a protest, you should be alright.


Arrow ok A)

[copper]"Where do you work?"

[me] "eeeerrrr......just south of manchester, I eeeeeerrrr took the scenic route this morning Very Happy "

Arrow And B)

If you don't have anything that identifies you as a protester/to a protest then how do they know you're protesting and what you're protesting for? Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyclists hold protests like this all the time, and they're not arrested. Roads are even closed off beforehand. If the right permits were given surely there wouldn't be a problem?
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you don't have anything that identifies you as a protester/to a protest then how do they know you're protesting and what you're protesting for? Laughing


That's the beauty of it. People will know there is a protest on and the seriously large amount of vehicles will prove that, but no one knows who is actually in it compared to people who just happened to get caught up in it.

Obviously a bike registered in Glasgow might get second looks when claiming he is commuting Razz
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay HTFC wrote:
Scouse wrote:
If you don't have anything that identifies you as a protester/to a protest then how do they know you're protesting and what you're protesting for? Laughing


That's the beauty of it. People will know there is a protest on and the seriously large amount of vehicles will prove that, but no one knows who is actually in it compared to people who just happened to get caught up in it.

Obviously a bike registered in Glasgow might get second looks when claiming he is commuting Razz


What he is trying to say though is you wouldn't know that we are protesting about petrol prices. You could be protesting about saving the kittens Laughing

Plus there is always a problem with every protest. Obviously you don't want the police getting involved like they did with the Manchester one and stopping them going into the city centre. The only way to get a really big protest though is publicise it. When it is publicised the police get involved and try to stop/calm it down.

If you tried to organise a big protest and said that you wanted to go within the 1 mile radius of HOP then the police would get knowledge of it and put a stop to it or arrest the organiser.

This country is far from free these days.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

The trick is to announce a massive protest at location X and hold it at location Y, hence if you announce the staging area will be say Cockfosters, and have the real protest at Heathrow or Bricklane, with horrendous traffic it will take the police storm troopers 30 minutes to get through to the real location.

You would just have to be clever though in organising it so that the real location is not disclosed before the event and hence have multiple prestaging areas which are 'supposed' to go to the announced area but go somewhere else entirely.
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PostPosted: 14:01 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

reminds me of something in the late 80's.

The police were tapping the phones (or some organisation was) of CND/ Youth CND so they "organised" a protest over the phone, confirmed numbers, attendances and all that malarkey, then organised the real protest by post.

Sent the police to completely the wrong place.. Smile

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PostPosted: 14:46 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:35 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:

What he is trying to say though is you wouldn't know that we are protesting about petrol prices. You could be protesting about saving the kittens Laughing


You would publicise it as a fuel protest and everyone would know its going to happen, but how do they determine who is part of the protest and who is just travelling through the area as per usual?

And it would be good if you didn't reveal the location, but said that everyone should be ready at 9am when a location will be texted to everyone.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay HTFC wrote:
You would publicise it as a fuel protest and everyone would know its going to happen, but how do they determine who is part of the protest and who is just travelling through the area as per usual?


They just stop everyone though like they did with the Manchester protest. Some people trying to get to work were stopped and threatened with arrest if they tried to get into the city centre Rolling Eyes

Shay HTFC wrote:
And it would be good if you didn't reveal the location, but said that everyone should be ready at 9am when a location will be texted to everyone.


If you had 1000 people in the protest:

1) it would cost you £100 to text everyone unless you have free texts.

2) That's a lot of texts to send in a short space of time.
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PostPosted: 21:09 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

ms51ves3 wrote:
They just stop everyone though like they did with the Manchester protest. Some people trying to get to work were stopped and threatened with arrest if they tried to get into the city centre Rolling Eyes


But surely that has achieved the objection of causing a disruption and getting the message across. Unless the point is not to cause any form of objection in which case why have go slows etc?

On top of that, there will still be loads of protesters riding around outside the 'no go' zone showing a presence because everyone has to be somewhere.

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If you had 1000 people in the protest:

1) it would cost you £100 to text everyone unless you have free texts.

2) That's a lot of texts to send in a short space of time.


Erm, no one is going to sit there and key a text to 1000 people using their mobile phone. You get software and a setup where it texts all the numbers automatically (people sign up to a notification list on the net). You can send 1000's of texts for very cheap if you go to a specialist provider who manage it all for you.
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PostPosted: 21:19 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be up for it mac Thumbs Up

Let me know if you want help trying to set something up as i'm willing to try and arrange one. Got lots of mates around my area who ride so could get a big group together.

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PostPosted: 21:28 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay HTFC wrote:
But surely that has achieved the objection of causing a disruption and getting the message across.

Achieved what?

I don't think it achieved anything, nothing changed as a result. All that happened was some commuters managed to have a really shitty day stuck in traffic.

Ever since however many hundreds of thousands went on an anti war protest and the government didn't bat an eyelid, I'm convinced all protests do is wind up the innocent.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 13 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

carvell wrote:
Ever since however many hundreds of thousands went on an anti war protest and the government didn't bat an eyelid, I'm convinced all protests do is wind up the innocent.


The anti-war protest didn't work, but I'm sure it'll make the government think twice again if they do it in the future.

I definitely think all these recent fuel protests have caused the government to seriously consider scrapping the 2p fuel duty rise in October. If enough people make a noise, then it might not change what has already been done, but it will affect what happens in the future.

Or so you'd hope!
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PostPosted: 01:06 - 14 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shay HTFC wrote:
Need to get around Downing Street and outside the Houses of Parliament.

However, there is a 1km 'protest ban' around the HoP where you can be arrested for having a protest in this area.

So the solution is just to get a load of bikes and cars etc to drive through, more than usual and pretty slowly if you want. Go round Parliament Square a few times maybe. If a copper pulls you over for protesting it's a case of, "me? Nah, I'm just going to work". They can't arrest every single person driving within that 1km radius as there are normal people there as well.
As long as you have nothing that identifies you to a protest, you should be alright.


NO.
This is the problem, for the public to taken seriously, we need to be militant.
If we physichally BLOCKADE LONDON then the police will be useless without their logistics, if they try to stop it before it happens then the numbers of riders/ drivers would be so great that the police would be powerless to stop it.
Effectively if bikes swarmed through a CUT OFF London, with absolout readiness for confrontation, then the bikes would control London.

People need to stop thinking that everything will fall down the moment that the police flashes it's badge, if they were dumb enough to challenge the mob then they should be ignored and pushed aside.

I was at the Manchester protest, I was a bit behind the main group of riders but me and countless other bikers were still filtering through the 15+ Miles of tailbacks, with the fuzz on all sides just letting us get on with it... undertaking, speeding, weaving the lot.

As I joined a group of riders at waiting behind a rolling road block at the front of the massive que I asked one of them if the police were letting us past... I then crawled up the pack and sat myself right behind one of the marked cars and when they realised they had a steady flow of bikes coming up behind them they let us straight past.
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PostPosted: 05:43 - 14 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Out of touch with reality a tad, any idea what kind of numbers you'd need to "Cut off London" as you say, go count how many roads go into London. Then the other problem is the police don't need to get into London, they're already there, again good luck blocking every road in London. You honestly think the police will be powerless to stop you, all they'd have to do is start arresting a few people and your 'militant blockade' as you put it would disintegrate very rapidly.
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PostPosted: 08:13 - 14 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the way to do it would be to have loads of Manchester size protests all over the country all timed to start together. Glasgow, Edinburgh, Dundee, Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool, London etc all setting off at 9am on a specific day would cause chaos countrywide.
You might also find that more would attend. Id have loved to be part of the Manchester protest but getting from Glasgow just not really feasable.
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 15 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phoenix wrote:
Out of touch with reality a tad, any idea what kind of numbers you'd need to "Cut off London" as you say, go count how many roads go into London. Then the other problem is the police don't need to get into London, they're already there, again good luck blocking every road in London. You honestly think the police will be powerless to stop you, all they'd have to do is start arresting a few people and your 'militant blockade' as you put it would disintegrate very rapidly.


nonsense

Block A13 - A12 & M11 and you've effectlively blocked the main east routes.

A1 - A10 - M1 and the same with the North

technically you could manage that with a few hundred people

you dont have to block every road - I don't think he was implying a quarentine zone or anything. Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: 21:06 - 15 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

What we need is a General Strike. Time has come for such a drastic measure.

If as many as possible book the same week off work, do not buy fuel, do not use any service at all for one week. Probably would need sustaining for longer to make an impact but it's the only way to make a difference.

Nothing will happen as long as the Government get a revenue from fuel and all the other stealth taxes. We buy it so simple way is to cut off their revenue and stop buying it.

I believe something similar happened in the USA. Most hauliers went onstrike and halted the country as nothing was delivered.
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 19 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm,

Just organise a general drive by at a slow speed... Maybe Circle Central London at 15mph. Well Actually thats the normal speed but the sheer mass of us would cause them to be overwhelmed. Hmm, anyone up for it.... seriously?
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PostPosted: 06:27 - 20 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 07:55 - 20 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

may be stupid but surely to block London the easiest way must be to block the M25
It would only take small packs of bikes spaced along it to bring it to a crawl effectively trapping all London traffic inside it forcing it across London instead of around and stopping any outside traffic getting in Confused
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PostPosted: 08:48 - 20 Jun 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like Techjinx said, block the main arteries going into London and you will cause disruption.

M1, M2, M3, M4 + M25 at certain points and you will already cause a massive situation. A well organised protest could easily do this.

Oh and you'd have to do it without Police compliance as they would demand that if you are going to do it, you have to leave at least 2 main motorways clear and in stay in the inside lane for the others.
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