Just found out my bike is CATC write-off

[JBurrows88]

I purchased this bike in feb/march from a local garage and had asked if the bike was hpi clear. Being a garage owner i trusted him as i expected he would of checked it himself before buying the bike...

The bike is coming up to its MOT and i noticed that the previous mot had a different VIN number to the V5 so i check on the net and the V5 VIN number is registered as stolen/recovered and Cat C write off.

But on the bike now, there is a different VIN number which is not registered to the bike (not on V5) and looks like it has been imprinted directly onto the frame (instead of a metal 'tag' fixed to the bike').

This V5 frame number is used in all my insurance and 33bhp restriction notice! Where do i stand on this?

I hae no idea what to do and were to go/ who to ring? Any advice would be great!

(p.s. i didnt purchase the bike as a cat c write-off and i purchased from a garage!!!)
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[TechJinx]

Well first off has to be to go back to the garage and tell them
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[JBurrows88]

i've had the bike 5 months and just going to ring dvla and see what there opinion of this is. (legal rights, etc.)

(i wont mention the garage name at this moment in time)
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[Ste]

Not sure the DVLA will be able to give you the best advice. I'd give Consumer Direct or Citizens Advice Bureau a call.

Do you still have the receipt from the shop and is there anything on it about the bike being HPI clear?

[TechJinx]

[Shaane]

Tell them you want them to pay full amount for a brand new bike
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[JBurrows88]

Anyone know the number for ciztens advice? or other?

pretty pissed off as i paid the price of a bike as a normal bike rather than a dodgy write-off.

The DVLA told me they didnt have it as written off just stolen/recovered, but the hpi test showed both? lmao. Anyway i am told i can sort out the problem with the VIN number by sending the V5 back to the DVLA and having an inspection on the bike.


Still means i'm going to end up with a bike which is worthless and has no value (in eyes of my insurance). It might be worth 1k (i paid £1850 for the bike and if it wasn't stolen recovered it would be worth close to 2k). This is second time i've had shit happen to me with my bikes in a row. Just getting a little sick of all of it.
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[Keir]

first thing, never trust anyone when buying something off them.

second thing, dont worry about legal aspects etc yet. just go back to the shop and ask for your (full) money back stating why. they would be mad not to take it back on the first instance as it could save them alot of time and money should you decide to get the law involved because they wouldnt sort it out amicably.

if they dont play ball, then go the legal advice route.
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[Bardeey]

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Go back to the garage and give them a mouth full but do it the way so they know you're not taking any shit and drop 'Consumer Direct' and 'Citizens Advice Bureau' as that will make them shit themselves and should cough up pretty quick i'd imagine.
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[JBurrows88]

A load of phone calls later...

In the eyes of the law he; misrepresented the sale of the bike and the bike was not as described. im about to call the garage about this now (wont tell em about the legal advice unless they tell me where to go) lol

Going to tell em that i want the difference between a bike that would be stolen recovered and cat c and a standard bike with a clear service history. He tbh has no excuse for not telling me. If he refuses in anyway to coperate with me i have to take him to small claims court and i will happily annonce the garages name to you.

I have a polite telephone manner (so i will withstrain from shouting at him)
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[Wafer_Thin_Ham]

He may not have known himself. Although he should have checked.
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[JBurrows88]

As a registered dealer he should have checked. if he didn't its his own fault. If it was a private sale then i would have been screwed.

Its one reason why im trying to call him to find out his reaction to this. I dont think its fair for him to recieve a recorded letter in the post without knowing why! And if he tells me to fuck off; i'll see him in small claims court!



Just a little sick and tired of always learning my lessons the HARD (expensive) way.
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[Kal]

Citizens Advice is for girls

~ahem~ Trading Standards ~ahem~

If he dosn't play the game straight off the bat go straight to them and make a formal complaint.

hpi check next time I think.
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[njd27]

Yet another example of why you should always be absolutely boring when you are buying a bike and cross check the numbers on all bits of paperwork. You will feel silly doing it when you are all excited about your new bike but it can save you a lot of hassle because you are at a point where you can just walk away...

[Blau Zedong]

Tut Tut.

Always check frame and engine numbers are present and correct and match those printed on the V5.
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[Ste]

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Hi

Firstly the number stamped on the frame is the important one. One on a stuck on tin label is little more than decoration.

2ndly it sounds like what you have is a bike and an unrelated V5. Entirely possible that the bike itself is stolen and then someone has just sold it with the random V5 and registration plate.

Basically, sort it out quickly as legally you could have major hassle (after all, you insurance goes with the registration plate, yet it seems quite likely that the bike has no relationship to the registration plate).

All the best

Keith
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[JBurrows88]

Its got the same engine number as on the V5.
Its also got the logbook with previous history relating to the engine number (and the frame number on the V5.)

The frame number on the V5 is registered stolen/recovered Nov 2007 by an insurance company.

I dont know where the number on the frame which is currently on the bike is from. It starts with 'DURPOL'.

Im totally gutted tbh, (its part my fault. But i bought it from a dealer thinking i'd be safer.) but i really need to find out about this other frame number. Anyone know how i can do that?
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[Kal]

The frame number is usually the important one when it comes to registration plate.

As said there is a fair chance the bike does not relate to the plate it should be on.

If I were you, and the frame number isnt on the V5c then I'd be getting a hpi check on the frame number now.
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[yambabe]

DURPOL is Durham Police, which would fit with it being a stolen recovered.

But if it has a new frame number it should have been re-registered, and if you get it inspected now it will probably get q-plated.
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[sanchezz_182]

Sounds like to much hassle to me id be demanding a full refund or another bike worth the same.
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[ZaphodBeeble]

I wouldn't touch that bike with someone elses bargepole. DURPOL on the headstock? Take it back and demand a full refund. That bike is worthless in my opinion.
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[t121anf]

if the engine and v5 match but the frame doesn't, suggests to me that its had a bump and someone has re-framed it.

problem is the new frame sounds like its from a cat-c, probably as you would expect from a salvage bike.