Honda cbr600rr/kawasaki zx6r

[neatbik]

Hi, im currently umming and aaring over whether to change my bike... I love the s4, but im also thinking it might be nice to have something a bit more hardcore (for a little while at least)
The two bikes standing out to me the most are the honda cbr600rr ('06 model or thereabouts) and the kwaka zx6r (03 onwards)
Anyone here have any experiance of these bikes?
Cheers

[Whosthedaddy]

Not being negative in the slightest but, just the mention of a CBR makes me yawn. A ZX6R? not sure I'd go for one of those either to be honest. There are plenty of other bikes out there for the same money, stand out from the crowd a little.

If you are after a 2nd hand bike for that price range then why not a 675 or a 916? Not as common as the other 2 but stands out by a country mile in a crowd.
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[colin1]

Last month, you wanted something a bit more upright, this month after your track day, you want something a bit more hardcore.

Last month, I suggested raised bars for your speed four for a more touring feel.

This month, I'm going to suggest lowering your clip ons for a more hardcore, track day feel.

This would involve taking your clipon handlebars off, removing the top yoke, putting clip on lower down the fork, put yoke over the top of the clip ons.

Another option to suite your changing moods would be convertibars, which means you could do both.

https://www.convertibars.com/Installationinfo.cfm
(watch the vid to see how they work) also useful for seeing how easy it is to move clipons it surprised me.

link to ones made for the speed four (pic and price, no vid)
https://www.motohaus.com/acatalog/ConvertiBars_Triumph.html

I doubt you are getting the most out of your speed four yet, so a hardcore bike would just be a different bar position, ie clipons below top yoke.

Basically, when clipons are below the yoke, its more like lying face down on a plank, and its better for fast cornering. Like with honda cbr600rr ('06 model or thereabouts), the kwaka zx6r (03 onwards) , and the 675.

As you can see I have been thinking about bars quite a bit recently.

Getting something as new as a 675, and then throwing it down a track could get seriously pricey.

I reckon you should stick with the speed four which is relatively cheap to fix if anything goes wrong. It doesnt even have side fairings for starters.

To be fair, I havnt done a trackday, so I'm just going on what I have picked up on here from the likes of G when it comes to the benefit of throwing a cheap bike down the track until you get the hang of it, before you get to throwing pricey bikes down the track.
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[Ben.]

depends if you like moding your bike. cber if its going to get a lot of money splashed at it otherwise its just dull /
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My vote is for the 675
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[B_A_B]

Forget the bullshit replies about the 6rr being boring mate...they`re talking shit.I`ve got an 06 and it`s faultless....although from what i read the power delivery was improved in the 06 compared to the older rr.
It`s an awesome bike in every respect and for me it feels better than a zx6.
Get a test ride of both and see which one flicks your switch.

the d675s are amazing bikes too but i`ve not ridden one of those properly yet.....only had a quick 20 minute spin around a car park.
They sound sexy as fuck though....but i don`t think that`s enough of a reason to buy a bike.
and theyre a lot smaller than the other 600s too... that`s ok for me coz i`m under 6ft but i suspect theyd feel tiny to someone bigger.
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[neatbik]

You've all made some interesting points, especially colin
Im not too worried about doing trackdays on it as ive got my eye on a trackbike, im just negotiating a deal on it.
There is nothing wrong with my s4, and no, im not getting the most out it, but ive ridden a few 'sportsbikes' now and one thing i always notice is how much easier it is to move your body posiion around on them - a fair bit easier than my bike.
In truth, im just thinking out loud, weighing up the options.
And also (and i know this sounds tarty) full on sportsbikes do look sexy...

[Ben.]

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[Ben.]

saying to me that you cant pin a 6 on the road just tells me you dont have the balls the ride a fast bike, go and get a hornet.
600's are track focoused, if you dont want to ride like that, fine, but dont say its impossible to use it on the road, coz its bull, utter bull.

ive ridden th 6rr how it was supposed to be ridden, flat out, unlike you, it was boring to ride flat out, theres no reward for keeping it about 10k like there is on a gixxer or a yam.

im not saying a 6rr is utterley boreing, all im saying is... it is... compared to other 600's.

your trying to argue that im saying a 600 is dull, im saying the cber is the most dull 600.
if you just want to pootle buy the cber. if you want to ride flat out, dont.
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[mark83]

I've just sold my CBR 600 RR. Was on a 56 plate so the model you are talking about.

My verdict is that the bike is very good at what it's supposed to do: make it easier to go faster on the track.
More forgiving than some, but certainly wild enough for the adventurous.

Why did I sell it? I couldn't afford to fix the damage caused by my right wrist, and I'm a twin man at heart.

Go for it if you're sure that's what you want. But don't be surprised if you start eyeing up sports touring bikes within less than a month because it sounds like that's what you want.

Honda VTR or VFR, Ducati Multistrada, Triumph Sprint. That, to me, sounds more like your bag.
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[Ben.]

B_A_B your right.

it just bugs me when you see someone on a firebalde pootoling along and then tries to preech to someone about speed. I dont care what you ride or how, but just because someone has a fast bike, doesnt mean he knows anything about speed.

theres 2 catergories of sports bike riders

people who ride there bikes fast. they know its dangerous and dont care

the others who have a fast bike, and ride it slow, they think they know how to ride it fast, and will preech to everyone about it, yet think people who do 150mph are reckless cunts and deserve to die.

BAB you shout the later...
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[craigs23]

[quote]ive ridden th 6rr how it was supposed to be ridden, flat out, unlike you, it was boring to ride flat out, theres no reward for keeping it about 10k like there is on a gixxer or a yam. quote]

How's the qualifying for the Manx coming along? Anyone who thinks they can ride a 600 to its limit on the road either is a). extremely talented rider, b). won't comprehend where the limit is, but because they've done xxx mph around a certain stretch of bypass/country lane, think they're ready for a litre bike.

The CBR isn't dull, it just doesn't make a very good road bike. Engine's too peaky and harsh, comfort is minimal, tank range isn't fantastic. It's designed with the track in mind with little regard for everyday practicalities that an average road rider requires.

Having said that, I'd buy an RR4 over an early R6 - couldn't stand their inadequate gearboxes, rev or nothing delivery and slap happy harsh handling quirks.

The only reason some bike journos hark on about the CBR being boring is because it lacks 'character' - it doesn't have the character traits/imperfects or get out of shape as early as its competitors (ZX6R for example). But I'm of the opinion that the rider makes the difference; it's all down to what they want to get out of the bike.

I'd buy an 05 ZX6R over one, but not an 03.

[neatbik]

Cheers guys, some 'interesting' views there
If i could afford it i'd have a sprint 1050 and a sportsbike, but funds wont allow it at the moment.
I want to try out lots of different styles of bike, if i get a 'supersports' 600 and i cant get on with it, then at least i experienced it, and then i could move onto a sportstourer.
I think im going to go testride a load of bikes, and if one of them really shouts at me then i'll think about changing.
Cheers for the input guys

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[Villers]

Why an 03 onwards 6R against an 06 CBR? Big price difference there!!

If you do go for a ZX6R make sure its the 636 version and not the '07 back to 600cc' version.

I found mine had plenty of character, it was after all a kawasaki. Pretty quick, fantastic handling and looked gorgeous. Was very annoying to live with however (ears ringing after a 'commute') and was like the rest of the track focused sixes - like riding bareback to blackpool on a razor blade.

I wouldnt discount the CBR on anyones word, it cant be a bad bike by any stretch due to what its competing against. Honda couldnt afford to make a bike 'bad'. Quite how any 120 odd horsepower bike can be 'bland' is beyond me.

Having overtaken a CBR pirate (arr arr) on monday night on a back road against overtaking an 06 636 last week I'd say the 6r was quicker on the throttle stop but I doubt there would be a credit cards width between them at full chat. If the CBR is supposed to be linear and predictable then I would take that over the often skittish ZX6R.

Best bet, try both see what you think. If you still dont know then go with your head and get the Honda.
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