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andrew
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PostPosted: 16:47 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: One rule for the rozzers, another for us Reply with quote
I know i know, the daily mail and all that. Could i get your opinions on this? If the police are dealing with emergency situations then obviously they should be allowed to park anywhere. When it's just for some fat lazy copper wanting to get some new trainers they shouldn't.

I think it's the way she pokes her tounge out as if she couldn't give a fuck that bothers me.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1040068/Caught-camera-WPC-blows-raspberry-parking-double-yellow-lines.html
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PostPosted: 17:08 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
A Met spokesman said the officer was picking up vital evidence connected to a shoplifting case. Laughing Laughing Laughing wtf.

maybe they wanted finger prints!
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Two things:

1 she doesn't look like the driver of the van

2. I wouldn't want to meet her down a dark alley! Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:36 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Arrow Is there anything in this story to disprove the fact that officer was picking up evidence? I don't want police wasting my tax money on parking fees and their time spent walking to a store when they can just park outside - as long as they are on official business.

Arrow The article says that traffic was struggling to get past the van - it seems quite clear to me that the bus overtaking is still within its own lane; not the worst traffic calamity I've ever seen.

Arrow HO NO!!11 A cyclist had to fucking wait for a few seconds?! I hope the pigs hang!

Arrow The porky PC is described as hiding her face - if that's the case, she's pretty crap at it, because you can still see most of it even though she's apparently talking to the driver.

Arrow She is very unattractive.

Arrow I fail to see why the article has such an issue with her sticking her tongue out; we've had articles posted on here about coppers getting the raging arse about people taking pictures of them - at least she's taking it in good part.
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PostPosted: 18:40 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
Arrow Is there anything in this story to disprove the fact that officer was picking up evidence? I don't want police wasting my tax money on parking fees and their time spent walking to a store when they can just park outside - as long as they are on official business.


Agree to an extent with the other points, but not on this point. I do not believe that the exemptions from various traffic regulations were put in place to allow the police to overstep the law when keeping to the law would be at most a small amount of extra walking and paying for a car park ticket.

Doing so for what is basically a bit of filing is taking the mickey. No more reason to use an exemption there than for the inland revenue to have its staff parking on a double yellow line to save the extra government expenditure of a parking ticket and a short work on government time.

While the bus is still in its lane, it is not in the bus stop (as that is blocked) hence it could well be stopping traffic getting past.

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PostPosted: 18:45 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Might just be my eyes but it doesn't look like she's wearing a seatbelt either. Laughing

Oh, and the trainers were in a black and white Foot Locker bag. Bit strange for them to put evidence in a branded bag. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
I don't want police wasting my tax money on parking fees and their time spent walking to a store when they can just park outside - as long as they are on official business.



Would these be the parking fee's that go to the local councils then?
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Weedy wrote:
Might just be my eyes but it doesn't look like she's wearing a seatbelt either. Laughing

Oh, and the trainers were in a black and white Foot Locker bag. Bit strange for them to put evidence in a branded bag. Thumbs Up

Yeah, they probably have hundreds of bags that say "Police Bag" lying around for when the police come to collect something.

Of course they'd put it in a branded bag!

I kind of think this is something we may just have to accept. Even if she was picking up some trainers, people that work at McDonalds get a free big mac, if you're a radio 1 DJ you get to go to free gigs. Why can the rozzers not have a perk.
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PostPosted: 19:12 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
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Arrow I fail to see why the article has such an issue with her sticking her tongue out; we've had articles posted on here about coppers getting the raging arse about people taking pictures of them - at least she's taking it in good part.

So looking at the picture...
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/31/article-0-0220475E00000578-721_468x317.jpg

...you're missing the point.

It's about having some respect for other people and a certain pride in the uniform. To be seen as taking the piss is insulting. Remember the police are still classed as public servants.

There's also the argument that someone could find that gesture offensive. Remember the story of the guy doing a V sign past a camera van. Had the copper turn up on his doorstep because he found it offensive. This is a big butch policeman you understand who's probably seen his fair share of Saturday night drunks. So how is that different? Now if it had been V sign I can't say I'd be offended at the tribute to Agincourt Wink Very Happy

carvell wrote:
Weedy wrote:
...Bit strange for them to put evidence in a branded bag. Thumbs Up
...they probably have hundreds of bags that say "Police Bag" lying around for when the police come to collect something.

Of course they'd put it in a branded bag!....

FWIW evidence should be put in brown paper bags or clear plastic bags or clear plastic tubes. At least that's what Humberside use, unless they're the exception of course.
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
map wrote:

...you're missing the point.


No, I'm disagreeing with you.

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It's about having some respect for other people and a certain pride in the uniform. To be seen as taking the piss is insulting. Remember the police are still classed as public servants.



Indeed they are.

I fail to see why that entails them submitting meekly to people taking photographs of them - especially when there is obviously a certain amount of malicious intent involved.

The Police are public servants - but their service does not involve being models for budding photographers.

We also don't know the context in which these pictures were taken - had the photographer spoken to the copper? Had he been joking or engaging in banter with her? Far be it from me to impugn the reputation of the Daily Mail, but is it possible that people might exaggerate or mis-represent a story to make an interesting headline?

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There's also the argument that someone could find that gesture offensive. Remember the story of the guy doing a V sign past a camera van. Had the copper turn up on his doorstep because he found it offensive.


Well, you can't have it both ways - if they're public servants then they represent the people, and should be shown respect.

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This is a big butch policeman you understand who's probably seen his fair share of Saturday night drunks. So how is that different? Now if it had been V sign I can't say I'd be offended at the tribute to Agincourt Wink Very Happy


Which only strengthens my point that police actions should be seen in the context in which they were encountered. I would expect plod to be polite and respectful to old dears, sensible and charming with children, old fashioned and friendly with tourists, and professionally courteous and honest with someone like me.

If a member of the public is interacting with the police in a certain way, I would expect them - within reason - to respond in kind; as they are encouraged to do with minority communities, for example.

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FWIW evidence should be put in brown paper bags or clear plastic bags or clear plastic tubes. At least that's what Humberside use, unless they're the exception of course.


That's certainly the end result in all forces - whether response units would have access to them 100% of the time is another matter entirely.

Oh, and quite frankly, who honestly gives a flying fuck? I know I've done worse things while wearing various uniforms - and still consider myself a respectful and productive member of society.

The whole thing is a fucking non-event - and quite frankly, with the current level of behaviour in today's society I think that if the plod are becoming rude and untrustworthy, Britain is simply getting a police service that reflects its own standards.
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PostPosted: 20:17 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
I fail to see why that entails them submitting meekly to people taking photographs of them - especially when there is obviously a certain amount of malicious intent involved.


Irrelevant for taking photos. It is a public place and so the photo can be taken, and the police have no legitimate power to prevent it (and indeed in this case appear to have made no attempt to prevent it).

Mister James wrote:
Oh, and quite frankly, who honestly gives a flying fuck? I know I've done worse things while wearing various uniforms - and still consider myself a respectful and productive member of society.


Point being here is someone who is meant to be an upholder for the law but is showing contempt for it.

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PostPosted: 20:18 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
Mister James wrote:
...Well, you can't have it both ways - if they're public servants then they represent the people, and should be shown respect....

I think your definition of servant must be different to the accepted version.

Remember also that respect is earnt. Maybe not on an individual basis in this case but as an organisation. Actions also speak louder than words. What does this PC's actions in the photograph (which M'lud, is the only evidence we have) tell you about her and her respect for others and the job.

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...I think that if the plod are becoming rude and untrustworthy, Britain is simply getting a police service that reflects its own standards.

Yes, sad isn't it Sad
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 31 Jul 2008    Post subject: Reply with quote
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/31/article-0-0220475E00000578-721_468x317.jpg

This picture sums it up entirely.

"We choose what laws and rules we obey and we couldn't care less about you catching us in the act."

The smugness shown by that officer is disturbing and clearly shows a mindset that shouldn't be in that uniform.

Police business doesn't automatically grant them the right to flounce around picking and choosing what traffic laws apply. It obviously wasn't an emergency, why not wait around one of teh numerous quiet side streets around there?

Twats, but twats that highlight the problems of idiots in uniforms.
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Its shocking that she allowed evidence to be collected showing police disregard for the law.

She should have known that is police policy in these situations, to confiscate the camera, delete the evidence, and have the person who took photos prosecuted under anti-terrorism laws.

see other thread

(I'll post link when i find it)
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It's the Daily Heil, they twist the truth, exaggerate to make situations sound far worse than they really were, and they also print complete lies. Therefore, no opinion should be based around anything seen in that paper.

But yes I'd agree it's a complete joke if the people meant to be upholding the law are taking the piss like that.
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Kickstart wrote:

Irrelevant for taking photos. It is a public place and so the photo can be taken, and the police have no legitimate power to prevent it (and indeed in this case appear to have made no attempt to prevent it).


Which is exactly my point - as I said previously, they seem to be treating the matter in a flippant fashion, which leads me to believe there was more interaction between them and the photographer than the story makes out.

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Point being here is someone who is meant to be an upholder for the law but is showing contempt for it.


Fail to see where the actual contempt for the law is, based on this limited evidence.

Kris wrote:
This picture sums it up entirely.


No it doesn't - it simply highlights the inherent bias against the police in most people here.

map wrote:
I think your definition of servant must be different to the accepted version.


I hardly think so.

If you are saying that the police are the servants of The People - they are also an extension of the will of The People, as we have delegated certain powers and responsibilities to them. As such, when dealing with the police as an individual citizen, you are in fact dealing with a representative of the rest of your fellow countrymen - and thus should show a bit of respect.

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Remember also that respect is earnt. Maybe not on an individual basis in this case but as an organisation. Actions also speak louder than words. What does this PC's actions in the photograph (which M'lud, is the only evidence we have) tell you about her and her respect for others and the job


To be honest, I'm more concerned about the blinkered reaction to the LIMITED evidence in these photos than any alleged lack of respect on the part of the officers in question.
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its actually good to see a copper displaying a playful attitude towards a member of the public especially when taking a photo..most go mad..its a shame theres not this kind of outrage over police using the anti terrorism act upon people who are not in anyway suspected of terrorism related activity.. is it just me or would being dealt with using a section of the driving act when you have committed a public disorder offense be an incorrect use of power? why is it the anti t act can be used so much with out a reason related to its main objective.. this country seems a little overboard on the terror theme,later this year a bill will be put into paraliment to bring in new rules regarding restaurants and cinemas..people will be searched upon entry to "crack down on suicide bombers"
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Mister James wrote:
I know I've done worse things while wearing various uniforms



When it is a police or other official uniform, then you bloody well shouldn't!

And that copper is taking the piss, if I parked there to nip in and buy some trainers (as it seems) then they would tell me to move.

Don't give me all that evidence crap............ Shop lifters STEAL things!

They dont bloody well DEPOSIT things.

If they want be coppers then they should act like it, and follow the rules they "uphold".

In my humble opinion of course.
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mad_man wrote:
its a shame theres not this kind of outrage over police using the anti terrorism act upon people who are not in anyway suspected of terrorism related activity


What world do you live in?

There are shed loads of people being outraged at that crap on this one website alone! Rolling Eyes
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Mister James wrote:
Fail to see where the actual contempt for the law is, based on this limited evidence.


Using an exemption designed for emergencies to (at best) just save a few moments walking.

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Go on Mr James, try defend this

https://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/cop-attacks-cyclist.php
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Mister James wrote:
it simply highlights the inherent bias against the police in most people here.


The irony in that statement! Bias? Laughing

Guess what? Not all police are good, there are some usless twats that misuse their powers and care not if they are caught.

If you can't see the difference then perhaps you shouldn't be joining the force yourself...

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Go on Mr James, try defend this

https://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/cop-attacks-cyclist.php


Er. . . . It's the New York P.D.https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v112/finglonga/Finglonga%20Inc/ne_nau.gif
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Itchy wrote:
Go on Mr James, try defend this

https://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/cop-attacks-cyclist.php

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Itchy wrote:
Go on Mr James, try defend this

https://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/07/cop-attacks-cyclist.php


Mr James, in absense of that video, would undoubtedly state that the pig's account must be true by default.

Now you try and imagine how many exact-same type cases have been perpetrated, and without video proof the victim was charged, prosecuted and convicted. Countless hundreds of thousands. On a daily basis, all over the planet. Vicious thugs given uniforms and heinous powers by the filth running the world, and told "Oppress, as you like, we will back you and reward you."

So it can be that a relative handful of people control billions. By using those of our own class who have no morals or scruples. Traitors to their own, treacherous scum without the courage to take a stand and refuse to be used like mangy dogs. The Police. They wander amongst us, stabbing us in the back for a handful of silver.

If and when it all comes crashing down I will slaughter them without mercy, wherever I find them. We don't need that kind of genetic sewage amongst us. Eradicate them entirely, exterminate them on sight. They deserve nothing less.
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